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“You Grow Up Wanting to be Luke Skywalker, Then Realize You’ve Become a Stormtrooper for the Empire”

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POWERFUL STORY: Read this shocking account of how U.S. Iraq War veterans had their 9/11 patriotism crushed & replaced with something far more alarming…

Someone asked:

How do you Americans as a people walk around head held high, knowing that every few months your country is committing a 9/11 size atrocity to other people. Imagine if the 9/11 terror attacks were happening in america every few months. Again and again, innocent people dying all around you. Your brothers and sisters. For no reason.

Daniel Crimmins from U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division answered:

“Many of us are unable. Many of us watched 9/11, and accepted the government and media’s definition of the attack as a act of war rather than a criminal action. A smaller portion, drifting along passively thought a major war was coming, that people we knew were going to fight and die. Some of us maybe worried about our younger brother being drafted, despite being in college. Now, it seems stupid, but in the 72 hours after 9/11, some Americans, maybe suffering from depression, certainly with a mind shaped by comic books and action movies, ate up the “us vs. them” good vs. evil rhetoric spouted by the cowboy in chief. After all, he was the president, and no matter how bright you might think yourself, you can still be swayed by passion and emotion, led to terrible decisions.

Some of us, therefore, left our dorm rooms, and walked down Main Street to the recruiter’s office. Some of us were genuinely surprised the office wasn’t full to bursting of young men eager to avenge their fallen countrymen. Some of us were genuinely surprised when we had to push the recruiter to stop trying to sell desk jobs and just let us join the damn Infantry.

Some of us got enlisted, then, and went down to Georgia, head high to mask the anxiety and fear they might have helped. Perhaps some number of Americans in this situation discovered that maybe it hadn’t been the best idea, but would be goddamned if they were going to admit it, and let everyone back home smuggly remark on how right they were.

So they persevere. They learn to work as a unit, to look past personality issues, to see each other as Soldiers rather than as a race, or economic status, or any of the other things people hate about each other.

They learn to kill.

Then some of these people, perhaps while sitting hungover in the platoon area in the Republic of Korea hear that we have invaded Iraq. They have “Big Scary Bombs”, and Saddam Hussein, the secular Arab dictator had somehow colluded with the devoutly religious OBL to attack the US. They hated our freedom, you see.

Then some of these young American men might transfer back to Georgia and be assigned to the 3rd Infantry Division, and end up in Iraq in January of 2005. And maybe these kids, still drunk on Fox News and fantasies of glory and renown being enough to win their ex-girlfriends back, are excited to go to Iraq. Sure, we hadn’t found any WMDs yet, and we had Hussein in custody, but they were still somehow a threat and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into Jeffersonian democracy. Inside every dirka is a good American, yearning to be free.

So you fight. You kill. Watch friends die. Its usually quick, almost never quiet, but for the rest of your life, when you remember sitting at the bar with them, they’re blown open. You picture the nights you spent downtown at Scruffy Murphy’s, but instead of the stupid hookah shell necklace, your boy’s jaw is blown off, and his left eye is ruined, and he’s screaming.

You fight, you kill, you watch friends die, and you notice a distinct lack of change. You kick in doors and tell terrified women to sit on the floor while you and your friends ransack their home, tearing the place apart, because they might be hiding weapons. There is no reason to believe this house in particular is enemy, same for the next one, and the one after that, or the seven before; they just happened to be there, and maybe they had weapons. Probably not, they almost never did. There were a few times when we had deliberate raids based on solid intel and we’d turn up some stuff, but generally we were just tossing houses because we could.

Then maybe your FISTer forgets to carry the remainder, and drops a mess of mortars on the village your supposed to protect. Maybe the big Iraqi running at you screaming was just mentally ill. Of course, you won’t know this until after you’ve but seven rounds through his ribcage, and his wailing, ancient mother is cradling his body, spitting at you.

Maybe when you get back to the FOB, the Platoon Sergeant tells you you did the right thing; next time, it might be a suicide bomber. They tell you it was an honest mistake, it wasn’t your fault. They tell you to go get some chow, take a shower if the water works, and sleep it off. You did good work that day, apparently.

During chow, the TV is on AFN, and they are rebroadcasting some Fox News show, and you’re hearing about drone strikes, and all the great things we’re doing, and you can’t help but see that poor dumb assholes face, looking past his mother as he bleeds to death. He’s in pain, obviously, but he has the most perfectly confused look on his face. He doesn’t comprehend what’s happening. Little more hot sauce on your eggs doesn’t really help.

Then you realize you haven’t seen anything to support the idea that these poor fuckers are a threat to your home. You look around and you see all he contractors making six figure salaries to fix your shit, train Iraqis, maintain the ridiculous SUVs the KBR dicks ride around in. You consider the fact that every 25mm shell costs about forty bucks, and your company has been handing those fuckers out like shrapnel flavored parade candies. You think about all the fuel you’re going through, all the ammo and missiles and grenades. You think about every time you lose a vehicle, the Army buys a new one. Maybe you start to see a lot of people making a lot of money on huge amounts of human suffering.

Then you go on leave, and realize that Ayn Rand has no idea what the fuck she’s talking about. You realize that Fox News and Limbaugh and John McCain don’t respect you or your buddies. They don’t give a fuck if you get a parade or a box when you get home, you’re nothing to them but a prop.

Then you get out, and you hate the news. You hate the apathy, and you hate the murder being carried out in your name. You grew up wanting so bad to be Luke Skywalker, but you realize that you were basically a Stormtrooper, a faceless, nameless rifleman, carrying a spear for empire, and you start to accept the startlingly obvious truth that these are people like you.

Maybe your heart breaks a little every time some asshole brags about a “successful” drone strike.

Your statement is correct enough; if all of America was one dude, that dude would not give a shit about the little brown people we’re burning and crushing and choking to death. We aren’t all like that, but it makes me incredibly, profoundly sad to see what my country actually is.

Some of us care, and I think there are more every day.”

~ Daniel Crimmins

Reprinted with permission from Daniel. Source

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  • MyScienceCanBeatUpYourGod

    Well, consider: The army doesn’t give you lightsaber. It gives armor, a gun, and all the high-tech goodies you could hope for that are still vulnerable to terrorist attacks by factions with Ewok-level technology.

    • Kaptain Amerika

      Great name. : )

  • Javafutter

    This is an important article to recall when heading to the voting booth in 2016. Or when calling your Senator about Iran.

    • Jiri Klouda

      And who should I vote for, pray tell? GWB promised no wars and less military. Obama promised to end wars and less military and the next fuck is promising to end wars and less military… I mean… yeah. Sure.

      • DeathFromTheShadows

        GWB kept his promise until the US was attacked, And incase you are fully brainwashed, He didnt eve have veto power due to the majority democrat holding of Congress that held veto over HIM, he was a lame duck during the majority of the War on Terror while in office, but hey why let the truth bother you

        • Jiri Klouda

          Can you point to any one law related to War on Terror that GWB proposed and the congress vetoed? But yeah, why let the truth bother you, right?

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            you are arguing with yourself moron, the whole point is CONGRESS had the control and were in total agreement, as such Bush didn’t take the blame alone, the Democrats wanted it as well. Get your head out of your anus and start thinking for once in your life, YOU are the one ignoring the truth.
            With 441 posts only ONE person is following you… that alone bespeaks your abject and complete ignorance… Might I recommend Adult Literacy Classes?

          • Jiri Klouda

            Why people like you always turn nasty immediately during an argument? If you read my initial comment, you would see that I was saying that both sides are pro-war. And if they promise not to be pro-war this time before another election, it is hard to trust that.

            And if you want to get into numbers, who cares how many people follow you. I’ve got 2.22 upvotes per comment and you have 1.6. So clearly people in general appreciate what I am saying more than what you do 🙂

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            you are really sad, you have to actually go and do the math on the how many likes per comment? People LIKE Jokes, as well as like comments out of sympathy, not to mention you have to take into consideration who the like is from, your mother? In short all that means is you post what losers like to hear rather than stay current and on topic, and as for “getting nasty” I ONLY return what is given out, and there you go, you are crying like the little pussy you are because you cant take what you dish out. Man up for Christ’s sake. and your little “I love myself” smilies also tells us you are too damned immature to take part in these discussions you little pussy

          • dweav

            speaking of math you couldn’t add 2 & 2 and as for mothers I’m sure yours had intimate relations with a donkey to get an ass like you for spawn,

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            You really think that’s a valid comment ? Pathetic… it didn’t even rank up to middle school level.

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            “Why people like you always turn nasty immediately during an argument? ” why do ignorant asses like you blame Bush, for the war Congress gave him? You talk out your ass without facts, until you are backed against the wall and forced to use them

          • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

            ‘the war congress gave him’ … after he and his administration knowingly lied to congress

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            you keep believing that, since congress gave HIM the facts, now go take your Aricept

          • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

            ? first of all, this isn’t an opinion … it’s fact and been documented . secondly, is this really all you have? some lame attempt to insult me?

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            stating facts isnt an insult unless YOU are a liberal. so you hit the nail on the head with your admission of guilt

          • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

            ‘go take your Aricept’ is ‘facts’ ???

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            when YOU keep missing your doses it is.

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            you need it snail tracks

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            if it was documented it would have been acted upon

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            still stupid after all these years. I pity you

          • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

            ‘congress gave HIM the facts’ … first of all, his administration gave him information … FALSE information which was, by definition, not fulfilling anyone’s understanding of the word ‘facts’

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            you voted for Hillary, didnt you?

          • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

            nope . but, again, thanks for joining the club of completely ignorant fools who base their judgement of others (how very christian of you) on your own imagined alternative facts

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            It’s YOU that are running around with the alternative facts, snailtracks

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            so you didnt vote at all thats even worse…

          • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

            thanks for solidifying your status as ignorant . you don’t know what i did unless you ask and i answer . making assumptions often makes you wrong

          • DeathFromTheShadows

            the problem is congress came to him not the other way around, more proof of your need for alzheimers meds

          • fuckbitches getmoney

            HAHAHA HOLY SHIT youre sad. Are you really bragging about having braindead clickers giving you fictitious internet points?

            I love when liberals think that being in the majority is being correct.

            Hey stickbug, suit up nut up and strap up, deploy to Afghanistan or the Shithole of your choice, spend every waking moment in fear of a towel head with an IED sending you and your brothers home as a tri-folded flag, OR you can accept that you know nothing and continue to respectfully live in the safe space that the US Military has created for you to frolic about in.

          • Vooch

            when did congress declare war ?

        • wylekat

          4 words from W make your argument invalid: “God told me to.”

  • john pogozelski

    ITS ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS ! PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT. FOR THE POLITICAL WAR PROFITEERS. THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX WE WERE WARNED ABOUT OVER 50 YEARS AGO. AND THE VOTING BOOTH, CALLING YOUR SENATOR & CONGRESSMAN/ WOMAN IS USELESS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PROBLEM !

    • DeathFromTheShadows

      The Military Industrial Complex no longer exists you tool, Industry has fled the US due to the destructive forces of the liberal left.

      • dweav

        You’re an ignorant ass!

        • DeathFromTheShadows

          Speaking of ignorant, go put your helmet on, Killary is coming for her visit and we don’t want you banging your head when she gets there

        • wylekat

          Now now. It’s not nice to call the mentally incompetent names, no matter how much they drool, thrash and shout incoherently.

        • fuckbitches getmoney

          Doesnt have any intelligible input. Calls someone ignorant.

          That’s ignorant.

          The U.S. Military exists to defend your freedom to say stupid shit like that. And its great that you’re expressing such gratitude cupcake.

          • James Hall

            As a former Marine I can say you are either stupid or brain dead. What freedom do you speak about? You also fail to mention we lost more troops to suicide than combat. You fail to mention we were never attacked by any country we invaded from Vietnam to the present. How can you be free in a fascist system? Do you even know what we have? Apparently not since you call others stupid when you could never back up what you say. Only an completely ignorant individual would state what you said, as if picking on small backward country was heroic! Where is your SHAME for your lack of facts? Tell me about the living conditions of those we have attacked. Do you know what fascism is? Please oh great wizard, tell us of your facts! I know the truth and I am extremely capable of walking the walk, not just talking the talk. What is most sad is you just may believe your own BS! The military is not made up of ALL good men and someones son is doing the raping and murdering of the innocent who always dies in excess of soldiers. Please tell me the last time you sat next to soldiers eating chow and hearing then discuss their contest as to who could rape the youngest girl? You also leave out that not all soldiers are proud of what they did or saw. Just tell us how you are free when the PATRIOT ACT removed every conceivable right you falsely believe you have. Read it sometime because you yahoos are so lost it is truly pathetic. The whole system is perverted in every way. Do you even study real history? Apparently not! To even think that way proves you are as brainwashed and clueless as they want all of us to be, but not all of us lost our humanity. Talk about ignorant, you are the poster child. Just the Patriot Act alone proves you dead wrong!

          • Miles A Moody

            James Hall, you have a powerful voice of experience. I hope that you are sharing your perspective with the world at large.

          • http://www.RestlessBoomers.com/ Restless Boomers

            Bottom line, it’s all about Jew banksters.

          • disqus_QNAqKNwvdY

            Amen Brother

          • boxofvapor

            You were doing OK until you said this; “Please tell me the last time you sat next to soldiers eating chow and
            hearing then discuss their contest as to who could rape the youngest
            girl?” The answer is never, I never heard anyone doing this, not once, not even close. I never heard anyone ever bragging about raping anyone and I’m not even sure when they were supposed to have gotten the chance even if they were screwed up enough to want to. I don’t know what kind of jacked up people you hung out with or when you served but that’s not anything I ever heard. Killing, yes, I heard guys brag about how many people they were going to kill. And those guys had almost never actually done any killing. It was always some cherry or group of cherries that were talking crap acting tough and honestly they were whistling past the graveyard, scared as shit and trying to not let it show by masking it with bravado.

            On the rest of it I tend to agree, but you are so far off the mark with the comment about raping young girls that I simply have a hard time believing you actually served at all, at the very least you didn’t serve in any modern unit. Maybe that was life in Vietnam but it’s not that way anymore and I’m not sure it was ever that way in Vietnam either, not on any large scale or nonchalatly accepted way as you seem to imply.

          • paz_y_justicia

            On the rest of it I tend to agree, but you are so far off the mark with the comment about raping young girls that I simply have a hard time believing you actually served at all, at the very least you didn’t serve in any modern unit.

            Is he off the mark because it was boys instead of girls?

            Classified Evidence: US Soldiers Raped Boys In Front Of Their Mothers

            “I saw [name blacked out] fucking a kid, his age would be about 15-18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [blacked out], who was wearing the military uniform putting his dick in the little kid’s ass, I couldn’t see the face of the kid because his face wasn’t in front of the door. And the female soldier was taking pictures.”

          • boxofvapor

            And that quote is from a former prisoner talking about something that he claims to have seen, whether it’s true or not I don’t know. But even if it’s true it’s only proof that one person was truly sick and that person would absolutely be punished if caught doing it, just like the thousands and thousands of civilians right here in the US that get caught every year. And those civilians who rape include everyone from the devout Christian to the SJW types. If there was a guy raping kids there he would not have been bragging about it to anyone because his friends would have shunned him and turned him in. I know a lot of really messed up stuff happened at Abu Ghraib but they were not raping kids and bragging about it.

            And yes I know fully well that it’s ironic that a Rapist would get turned in and not a torturer but I didn’t say that the person above was wrong about torture I said he was wrong about rape. If he had said that people brag about how badly they treat prisoners short of rape I would have agreed. I did see people treat prisoners horribly, but not rape. Kicking, punching, threatening to shoot them, etc. etc. That was sadly fairly normal behavior, but I never once heard anyone at any time bragging about raping anyone. But what do I know, I only know from personal experience.

            I’ll repeat this again, I never once heard anyone at any time bragging about raping anyone and if they had I’m absolutely positive they would have been turned in. I also highly doubt that my unit was an exception to the rule. We were a fairly normal Infantry unit with the usual makeup of men from around the country and divided normally in regards to age.

            Now if you want to believe that military people are rapists on top of helping to engage in murder, by all means believe it, but it doesn’t actually help the anti-war movement at all when people push nonsense. In fact I would suggest it harms the anti-war movement by discrediting it. When lies are spread then people don’t tend to believe the truth anymore and the truth is absolutely bad enough without the need to make shit up. Rape was not something chatted about over lunch as if it was no big deal, that’s simply not true. You can believe this or not, but most of the guys serving do in fact see themselves as being honorable and rape isn’t included as being honorable. Killing people yes, treating prisoners like shit, yes to an extent but rape? Nope, not even close and suggesting it is actually discredits anyone who claims it is and that’s not helping anything. Tell one lie and nobody believes the rest of what you claim no matter how true it is and it’s a lie that Army guys sit around bragging about rape, it’s not true and you would know it if you had ever served in today’s military. Like I said, maybe it was in Vietnam but even then I highly doubt it was considered normal behavior, but I can’t speak to that directly so I could be wrong. What I’m not wrong about is that it woulnd’t be acceptable today.

          • paz_y_justicia

            Don’t be naive, torture and rape are as American as apple pie. We rape our citizens:
            When police officers rape

            The victim, Anna Chambers, accused the two plain-clothes NYPD narcotic detectives of kidnapping, sexual assault, and rape. She says that on September 15, after she was arrested for possession of cannabis and an anti-anxiety drug, the officers took her alone to a nearby car park. There, she alleges that she was violently raped by Martins and sexually assaulted by both officers.

            We rape our soldiers:
            Surviving Rape in the Military

            It estimated that while 26,000 rapes and sexual assaults took place in the armed forces in 2012, only one in seven victims reported the attack and only one in 10 of those cases went to trial.

            We train people to torture and rape:
            What is the SOA?

            Since 1946, the SOA has trained over 64,000 Latin American soldiers in counterinsurgency techniques, sniper training, commando and psychological warfare, military intelligence and interrogation tactics. These graduates have consistently used their skills to wage a war against their own people. Among those targeted by SOA graduates are educators, union organizers, religious workers, student leaders, and others who work for the rights of the poor. Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans have been tortured, raped, assassinated, “disappeared,” massacred, and forced into refugee by those trained at the School of Assassins.

            The Secret Wars of the CIA

            They go into villages. They haul out families. With the children forced to watch, they castrate the father. They peel the skin off his face. They put a grenade in his mouth, and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch, they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes, for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these things to the children.

            We know the extent of sexual humiliation and abuse, torture, and murder perpetrated in Abu Gharib… and there is much more that remains classified. Do you think that it was forced bible reading!?!?
            Hersh: Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib, on tape

            After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon’s custody more horrific than anything made public so far. “If these are released to the public, obviously it’s going to make matters worse,” Rumsfeld said.

            Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it.

            You have to suspend belief to think that this is not tolerated. Maybe you have some romantic view of what the military is. The sad reality is that it is the criminal enforcement arm of corporations and special interests. Is this a respectable organization?:

            FBI says U.S. criminal gangs are using military to spread their reach

            FBI gang investigator Jennifer Simon said in an e-mail to Stars and Stripes this week that gang members have been documented on or near U.S. military bases in Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea and Iraq.

            “It’s no secret that gang members are prevalent in the armed forces, including internationally,” Simon said, adding that the FBI is preparing to release a report on gangs in the military.

            I’ll repeat this again, I never once heard anyone at any time bragging about raping anyone…

            By that logic I call bullshit on world hunger because I had lunch today.

            …and if they had I’m absolutely positive they would have been turned in.

            The United States invades Iraq committing what the Nuremberg Trials classified as the supreme international crime, doubles down on Libya and Syria, ignores the rape of it’s own soldiers…
            Military Rape: Rampant, Ignored

            When Panayiota Bertzikis tried to tell her commanding officers that she had been raped in May 2006 by a shipmate four months into her tour at the Burlington, Vt., Coast Guard Station, they discouraged her from talking to an Equal Opportunity officer, barred her from seeing a civilian therapist, ignored a written confession from her attacker and browbeat her into silence.

            … and you expect me to believe that they would turn in one of their own over a “dirty Arab”. Come on man, now you are insulting me.

            Now if you want to believe that military people are rapists on top of helping to engage in murder

            So it’s either you and my father were rapists, or no soldier was. That’s some pretty f’d up logic.

            In fact I would suggest it harms the anti-war movement by discrediting it.

            No, willful ignorance has killed the anti-war movement. Whether they bragged about it or not it’s irrelevant. It happened… millions of people have been killed, veterans life’s have been destroyed, and we are still an illegal occupying force in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria while our country is falling apart. It’s time for the citizens of this country to decide if they are “Good Americans”… or “Good Germans.”

          • boxofvapor

            And again, none of that shows that soldiers sit around bragging about raping anyone. So that might have been the longest non sequitur argument I have ever read. Yeah, people can be real shitheads and like I said, it’s not limited to any specific group, there are rapists, who go to church and there are rapist who are SJW’s, there are rapists who post stupid comments on-line, etc. etc. etc. None of that proves that soldiers sit around bragging about committing rape. They don’t do that for good reason, their fellow soldiers would beat their ass and turn them in.

            And yes it’s relevant whether they accept rape or not. Honestly matters. Accuse them of what they are guilty of but don’t make up stupid shit about them or it backfires. It’s like calling wolf all the time, people stop believing you because you are lying.

            One more time, Soldiers do a lot of messed up things, bragging about raping anyone in front of their fellow soldiers isn’t one of them, so don’t lie about it because it hurts any other actual argument you might make.

            And you don’t have to lecture me about how wrong the wars are. I’ve been there and seen it. I got out and joined Veterans for Peace. I’ve written articles and I’ve protested all across the country. And by the way, if asking that you stick to the truth is too much for you then I don’t know what to say to you. You should want to be honest without having to be told that it’s counterproductive, which it is.

          • paz_y_justicia

            One more time, Soldiers do a lot of messed up things, bragging about raping anyone in front of their fellow soldiers isn’t one of them, so don’t lie about it

            Really?!? Your issue is whether they bragged about it or not? James Hall provided a plausible anecdote that is backed by reality. You countered it with your narrative that while true, is a fantastical rebuke to Mr. Hall since there is no way you sat at every table or spoke to every soldier. I provided evidence in support of the validity of his assertion while you provided squat. To boot, you accuse me of something I did not say.

            And by the way, if asking that you stick to the truth is too much for you then I don’t know what to say to you.

            Do you categorically deny that any US soldier committed rape? If you can’t make that assertion then how can you possibly deny that they could not have bragged about it? And if you can’t concede of that possibility then it is I who doesn’t know what else to say to you.

          • boxofvapor

            Are you incapable of reading? I already said that all groups of people include rapists. I’m telling you flat out that they don’t sit around bragging about it because they would get their asses kicked and then they would get turned in. And how do I know? Because I served, that’s how I know. As for the guy making the claim that they do brag about it, he’s free to tell me what circumstance he heard this in, but I can tell you that it never happened around me or anyone who I know of and it’s not likely to happen anywhere in today’s military. Is it possible that it happened somewhere at some time in history, yes it’s possible. But it’s not something that goes on in today’s military during casual conversation as he suggested and making that claim is irresponsible because believe it or not credibility is actually important. You might not think so, considering your attitude here but it does matter.

            If you want to loose all credibility by making outrageous claims you go right ahead but outrageous claims demand far more evidence than normal claims do and it is outrageous to believe that guys in the today’s army would sit around casually bragging about raping young girls which is the claim that was made and the claim you are supporting.

            What you are doing right now is proving that you don’t know jack shit about soldiers or how they behave and because you are so clownish about it you discredit yourself and in a small way everyone else who is devoted to the anti-war cause. You just come off as an ignorant hater and nothing more and ignorant haters are very easy to dismiss.

            Why do people on-line have to be such clowns? Can you answer me that? Why does every conversation with someone like you have to break down into this childish BS? Do you and others like yourself simply hate the idea of ever being wrong about anything, even when it’s clearly not something they know about? And why play these stupid semantic games? Do you think it makes you look bright or something? Trust me it doesn’t, it just makes you look like a clown. Too bad, I normally enjoy talking to people who are against our wars, but with you I can tell that it’s more about simply hating on people and being a jerk than actually discussing issues.

            You can now have the last comment as I will not be responding to any more of your rubbish.

          • paz_y_justicia

            yes it’s possible

            That’s all you had to say.

          • Dina Strange

            what are u smoking? share some.

  • prometheus46

    I always wanted to be Boba Fett.

  • DeathFromTheShadows

    What a crock of bullcrap… First off you have a disgruntled liberal whining because his time in the service was too hard for him… Criminal action vs act of war? Its called MAGNITUDE, and identity. Again the illiterate left here never bothered to learn a damned thing about ISLAM. It is a borderless nation. It isnt define by a continent or a country it is an ideology of hatred . Pick up a quran and start reading it. Your time of ignorance is over, its time open your eyes and look at reality, We have been fighting them since the 1700’s and mankind in general has been fighting it since a sick and depraved individual invented it so he could rape children, and have sex with animals, and only use adult women for procreation and slaves. These are the hard core facts from their own holy book. So cut the crap, and face reality, Islam, aka the New World Order is out to destroy Humanity, and Liberalism is it’s left hand.
    The lies poised by Daniel Crimmins are just a call for the beheading and rape of your sons and daughters, YES they rape males too because it is allowed, called for and even demanded by their holy book the Quran. So Until you practice due diligence and investigate all the facts, you’ve failed.

    • Faith Breaux

      These views are an unfortunate result of common propaganda in our country. Muslims and the extremist are two separate groups. In the 1950s and ’60s, Afghanistan was partly a secular country where women were granted equal rights. It is critical to keep in mind American media is not presented to reflect the whole picture of reality; It is made for us to view political issues through a tailored lens that will benefit our government. To be fair, we must look at both sides at the same time. America has a long history of supporting fundamentalist groups in exchange for benefits. This puts peaceful groups in a position to be destroyed. Muslim communities were peaceful and democratic, until they were conquered by radical Islamic groups that were empowered by our government.

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      Throughout the 1980s, the CIA, through the Pakistani government — more specifically Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) — supported and armed the mujahedin in Afghanistan in their fight against the Soviet Union, in what was dubbed Operation Cyclone. President Ronald Reagan famously met with the mujahedin in the Oval Office in 1983. “To watch the courageous Afghan freedom fighters battle modern arsenals with simple hand-held weapons is an inspiration to those who love freedom,” Reagan declared.

      Those “freedom fighters” are the forefathers of ISIS and al-Qaida. When the last Soviet troops were withdrawn in 1989, the mujahedin did not simply leave; a civil war of sorts followed, with various Islamist militant groups fighting for control in the power vacuum. The Taliban came out on top, and established a medieval theocratic regime to replace the former “godless” socialist government.

      There are extremists in every religion, but they tend to be few in number, weak and isolated. Salafism, in its modern militarized form, has its origins in the 1920s, and even before. For decades, this movement remained weak and isolated. Yet, in the 1970s and ’80s, Western capitalist governments, particularly the U.S., came up with a new Cold War strategy: supporting these fringe Islamic extremist groups as a bulwark against socialism.
      http://www.salon.com/2015/11/17/we_created_islamic_extremism_those_blaming_islam_for_isis_would_have_supported_osama_bin_laden_in_the_80s/

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      Furthermore, Afghanistan’s oldest political and humanitarian organisation, RAWA (Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan), has been fighting for women’s rights since its formation in 1977. Our government only ignored them to continue on their agenda.

      “One might note that this is hardly the first time that the concerns of advocates of women’s rights in Afghanistan have been dismissed. Thus, in 1988 the UNDP senior adviser on women’s rights in Afghanistan warned that the “great advances” in women’s rights she had witnessed there were being imperilled by the “ascendant fundamentalism” of the U.S.-backed radical Islamists. Her report was submitted to the New York Times and Washington Post, but not published; and her account of how the U.S. “contributed handsomely to the suffering of Afghan women” remains unknown.”

      https://chomsky.info/20020201/

      As for the Quran, we in the west misunderstand it by viewing it through our Christian perceptions of the Bible. It is critical to keep in mind that the Quran was written by one person, while the Bible is many books written by different people. Depending on the Bible, many situations of the Old Testament may correlate with the New Testament, where as in the Quran, it’s later writings supersedes the older teachings. This is why writings in the old Quran are peaceful and speaks about respecting women, but later when radical groups over took them, the writings were changed to fit the radicals’ agenda of a nature you have mentioned in your post.

      • DeathFromTheShadows

        You are correct about how the Quran changed but are off on one point, it was never altered. It was indeed written in its entire content, by one person, but as he sank into depravity and madness, so did his writings. But it goes further, If you have an eye on psychology in this issue, not only can you follow the decent of this one person into madness, you will also notice how it is also a guidebook on basic mind control. A treatise on cultism and cult control. There is no question after studying its text, that the QUran was written by one person. Today, when they are not fighting together, against the “infidels”, the various sects are fighting each other over where a comma belongs or if the word means “OR, or IF… What is the most dangerous thing in history is the groups such as ISIS are a world wide danger, since they unite all the groups against the west.

        As for the Women’s rights groups under islam. they Only existed in Iran and the modernized Urban areas of Afghanistan, and are now history, as Islam has reverted, an no longer fears the world court. In all reality, womens rights under islam didnt even survive 2 decades, as it barely rose and was literally crushed in short order. I personally am aware, by personal contact, of women from Iran and Afghanistan, who came here for education and were informed by their families, not to return home as there were Fatwa’s issued calling for their deaths. Both of these women are professors, that my wife studied under.
        I may sound like a biased redneck with no background on islam when I get on the Soap Box, but nothing can be further from the truth. I am very studied in it, I am in heavy contact with practitioners, Specifically those who came to the US, to escape persecution. I know former Muslims, who came here to become Christians, one Egyptian family, I attended High School with, and in fact, the father of, was my own Medical doctor for years, prior to his retirement. Another Egyptian family, Studied Martial arts with my daughters, at the insistence of the Father, lest the Fatwa on them be served and the kids be attacked with the intent of being killed by either his or his wife’s family( the kids’mother’s and father’s siblings and cousins). It was these people who introduced this death cult to me, starting back in the mid seventies, while I was in High School, and continued on as an adult and parent. Yet people are always trying to tell me I am off base. But when a man I trusted with my life, takes the time to tell me his life story, on how he fought and risked his life to bring his bride to the US, and had to GO BACK to medical school just to be an MD in the US, I listen. He told me he knew his daughters spoke to me of his history and the risks it took to be a christian, since his girls and I often sat together in church, as we were friends in school, and he sat just a few rows back. He helped form my life and who I am. My wife’s professors, completely removed from the Doctor and his family, told of being told by their families that they risk death to visit them, and had to literally change their identities to stay safe. I may have turned in to a total hard ass over what I have learned in life. But the other side of me is what allowed me to learn what I have, and the Humanitarian and open heart must be protected in order to survive and serve. Far too many people in our country have forgotten that our nation was formed by others with such backgrounds. They have become the problem we face, in order to keep freedom alive.

      • DeathFromTheShadows

        you drank the Koolaid… Muhammad wrote the entire Quran, it is a treatise of indoctrination and mind control. Nothing has changed in it from its earliest written versions to now . Look to the written histories of why the crusades happened, and educate yourself and stop believing the lies. NOWHERE in the quran is there any mention of respecting women either. that is what you were TOLD via the practice of Taqiyya, – Lying to further the cause of Islam- which is world domination.

        • Faith Breaux

          I’m not sure why you’re continuing your replies to me after two months, but I currently have to wholeheartedly disagree with you based on my research thus far.

          I am not going to encourage further discussions regarding this topic. I know enough for now based on research and contact with an Army personal. Furthermore, there is no solving any issues with these negative based discussions; however, you are entitled to your beliefs. All is ask is please refrain from continuing your argument towards me. Thank you for taking your time to read this.

        • Faith Breaux

          Many groups of Americans think they know everything there is to the lives of others, yet we never lived in their shoes or even understand their history, writing or language. I don’t want to be apart of that.

  • holyreality

    Do you dare to say that America is not exceptional? That the freedom we rain upon the masses of brown people leaving destruction, suffering and death is somehow…..wrong?

    If so, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

    To all the veterans who survived the meat grinder otherwise known as the sandbox, I’m sorry you went over and served for my alleged freedom.

  • Kaptain Amerika

    The false flag event called 9/11 was the plan. And its aftermath is working perfectly.
    Endless fear. Endless war. Endless hate. Endless profits.

    Mission Accomplished! Big time.

  • http://richardstanford.com/ Richard Stanford

    “you start to accept the startlingly obvious truth that these are people like you”

    This. Exactly this. Very few atrocities can happen without some people thinking of other people as things rather than humans.

    • TroothFairy

      I appreciate your comment, but please use real sentences instead of constructions like “this. exactly this.”

      • JDRedhawk001

        Grammar nazi much?
        Written communication comes in various forms. Sometimes it is fragmented for emotional clarity. Perhaps you should read some e.e. cummings for greater understanding.

        • TroothFairy

          You wouldn’t understand ee cummings if he gently stroked your turgid gunt. Otherwise, good point.

          • JDRedhawk001

            TroothFairy, you’ve no idea of my background. Your assertion is laughable!

          • Covey WhiteGold

            Don’t spend your life being a Grammar/Spell Checker. I’m sure you are much more than that. Knowledge can make people humble but Arrogance can make them ignorant.

        • boxofvapor

          Great comment, plus I’ve rarely seen a grammar Nazi with perfect grammar. For instance in this case they forgot the comma after “like”. I had a grammar Nazi the other day manage to make 8 mistakes in a two sentence reply. It cracks me up every time they do it.

      • http://richardstanford.com/ Richard Stanford

        Well, it is a fairly common internet messaging practice and not something I’d say in normal conversation. While we’re at it, would you mind changing your handle to “Truth Fairy” though? That’s far more grammatically correct, if still a peculiar name. Also, if you’re going to use quotation marks, please quote the capitalization correctly.

        Alternately, feel free to take the compliment in the way that it was originally intended and move on.

        • TroothFairy

          If it were a mistake at all, it would be a spelling mistake, not a grammar mistake, dumbass. #korrectionFell

  • Cary Alan Hazelton

    I am an honorably discharged veteran of the 82nd Airborne Division. I didn’t go to war due to bi polar depression, psychosis and substance abuse issues. I have been to the VA hospital psych ward many times and an outsourced substance abuse facility. Spending a lot of time with combat veterans trying to heal. It breaks my heart. To see them struggle and suffer. However. I have seen them heal. I have seen them make it. And they have helped me immensely. They have inspired me to heal. They have continuously reminded me of my own Warrior Spirit and the brotherhood we share. And I am grateful everyday.

    • http://www.RestlessBoomers.com/ Restless Boomers

      Time to wake up and see the destruction you have caused to our nation.

    • Vooch

      Warrior Spirit ?

      That’s evil and unamerican.

  • RevnantDream

    There is a reason why the founding fathers said not to get involved in foreign wars.That being creating a Military complex as Europe had that feeds like a vampire on war & dynastic conflicts. The patriot act with homeland security which i call The Islam home security force . Should be banned . Both are odious to any republic or democracy. Short term limits on holding office . Not allowing legislators to vote laws they themselves wont abide by opting out. The military is there to respond to real threats like say North Korea attacking, Japan during ww2, the Barbary pirates. Policing trade routes .

  • Manny

    You find out that you were nothing more than a dick sleeve for Uncle Sam fucking the rest of the world for the banking and defence industries! And when he is done with you he pulls you off and throws you in the trash and your left carrying the scars! The political class just sit back,start the wars ,eat steaks, fuck your girlfriend back home while you and your buddies bleed on the battlefield! Great F—ing system! The law should be, ALL POLITICAL LEADERS who think war is the answer are on the front lines leading the troops to their nations supposed glory! Major General Smedley Butler anyone ? WAR IS A RAKET !!!!! WAKE UP ASSHOLES!!!!

  • 1984 Universe

    Our dear Republic is actually an oligarchy and our government is its subservient corporation. Between soldiers with PTSD, the inner city youths, the foster children and the prisoners we have turned citizens into pawns to support the professional and ruling class by systemic trauma. The government and its two party system has been bought. We need a people’s party.

  • boxofvapor

    I see this is actually a very old article, but since it’s just been linked over at zerohedge I suppose it will get some action in this comment section.

    I also served in an infantry unit and was deployed twice, this was before the newest round of wars but it hasn’t changed much from what the author says. The Infantryman gets the worst job in the world and gets treated like shit in the process. Most of us learn the lesson that our job is not actually an honorable one soon after we are deployed. Endlessly kicking in doors and rarely ever finding anything. Innocent people getting shot, losing friends, etc. Just seeing the destruction that comes from the air is enough to make a person sick for life. I could go on and on, but needless to say, it’s a horror.

    But this is probably the key point. Most of us can handle the horror, or we could if there was any way to deal with this as having been honorable. Often it seems that people try and blame the increased suicide rates on our generation being weak compared with “the greatest generation”. However, the reality is that part of coping with PTSD is coming to grips morally with the actions we took. The fact that today’s wars are not moral and that we know they are not moral makes everything ten times worse. How do you get over having some innocent woman die in your arms when you know that nothing about the war itself was necessary? For me that was the worst part, the death of one woman in my arms who I know was completely innocent and who’s death would not have happened had we not been involved in an illegal and immoral war. I saw worse, much worse actually, but that one I’ll never get over. I’ll never forget her family screaming at us and knowing that they were right and we were wrong. We were the monsters and I know I was personally a monster because I had myself gotten to the point where I wanted to go home so bad that I would have killed everyone in sight, if that would have gotten me home. I didn’t shoot that woman and in fact I did everything I could to save her life, but that doesn’t make me any more innocent than my friend who pulled the trigger. He didn’t mean to kill her either but he did and it wouldn’t have happened if we had stayed home and minded our own business as a nation.

    People often wonder how Vets can remain patriotic after serving and it often goes two ways. One is really simple. Most of the Vets I know who are over the top patriotic, waving their flags, wearing their uniforms for parades, etc. never really saw any combat or very little. The second group have convinced themselves that their own personal actions were honorable, they didn’t pull the trigger unless they needed to. They saved the lives of a friend, etc. etc. etc. and they remain convinced that the wars themselves are honorable. It’s denial, sure it is, but I often wish I could live in denial with them, it would certainly make things a whole lot easier on me. Of course my shrinks might go out of business but I’d be a lot happier that’s for sure.

    As for the public’s guilt involved in sending so many young men and women to do this, I don’t know what to say other than to keep this in mind. It’s hard enough fighting a war and dealing with the aftermath when it’s honorable but it’s down right impossible for many of to deal with knowing it wasn’t needed, useful or honorable at all. So if you must send us to war, would you please be damn sure that it’s a last resort? If not and you support endless, needless wars could you at least admit that some of the guilt rests on you? You won’t stop me from blaming myself for the rest of my life, but misery loves company and sometimes it sure gets lonely living in a nation where the finger always seems to point in one direction only.

  • The Grown-up Table

    What’s with the Ayn Rand jab? She was a minarchist. Minarchists do not support imperialism.

  • Arthur Patrick Danu

    Beautiful and honest sentiments! There’s a long way back to saner future, but people have to choose it. No politician can fix this. The power resides with the people or there is no power among them at all. Happy Solstice!

  • Eric Blust

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18bb2f5f9140ad45c576362753b1d5aea08d7e4c14f102872f182e806d99cbab.jpg from time to time we have to cut their numbers back, they won’t stop trying to take over… and they will keep attacking us as long as we are not muslims, they are a death cult.

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