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Hungary has taken a bold stand against biotech giant Monsanto and genetic modification by destroying 1000 acres of maize found to have been grown with genetically modified seeds, according to Hungary deputy state secretary of the Ministry of Rural Development Lajos Bognar.

Unlike many European Union countries, Hungary is a nation where genetically modified (GM) seeds are banned. In a similar stance against GM ingredients, Peru has also passed a 10 year ban on GM foods.

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“Almost 1000 acres of maize found to have been ground with genetically modified seeds have been destroyed throughout Hungary, deputy state secretary of the Ministry of Rural Development Lajos Bognar said.

The GMO maize has been ploughed under, said Lajos Bognar, but pollen has not spread from the maize, he added.

Unlike several EU members, GMO seeds are banned in Hungary. The checks will continue despite the fact that seek traders are obliged to make sure that their products are GMO free, Bognar said.

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During the invesigation, controllers have found Pioneer Monsanto products among the seeds planted.

The free movement of goods within the EU means that authorities will not investigate how the seeds arrived in Hungary, but they will check where the goods can be found, Bognar said. Regional public radio reported that the two biggest international seed producing companies are affected in the matter and GMO seeds could have been sown on up to the thousands of hectares in the country.

Most of the local farmers have complained since they just discovered they were using GMO seeds.” said globalresearch.ca

As of May 2015, Hungary had not responded to the new EU legislation making GMOs legal in all countries unless they specifically opt out. Germany looks like they may opt out. Scotland has opted out within the UK.

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  • Emily Barlow-Bolch

    Always good to know that entire nations have governments loaded to the brim with science deniers.

    • Anil

      GMO is not ethical science and also there are not enough statistics to prove it is healthy!

      • Union Lacktivist

        Same people whining about GMOs are the same ones getting abortions and demanding to use stem cell research to improve lives. As long as those GMO’s are human DNA, I guess all is good. You clowns are KOOKS.

        For the record I don’t have to be a hypocrite on the issue. I can support stem cell research and GMOs. Now run along dumb libtard. Go get an abortion…those are obviously “healthy”.

        • DianneP

          Aren’t you the judgemental Kook! You are entitled to your opinions, however being judgemental of others with linking abortions and stem cells to those who oppose your opinions is offensive and unintelligent.

        • Anil

          Your comment does not make any sense!

      • Abe Kline

        Um, what amount of statistics would be enough? Why is the mountain of scientific studies that demonstrate no undue effects from GMOs no sufficient. Why is the general consensus of experts in the fields insufficient evidence for their safety?

      • Terry Hill

        Why ‘unethical’ Anil?
        And how many statistics, research papers, studies and science would be enough for you? There have been over 2000 studies done on GMO for consumption, environment and animal safety over the last 25 years.
        GM food is far more researched and tested than any other food on earth.

        I guess for science-deniers, no amount will ever be enough.

        • Anil

          It is unethical by many counts. One simple reason being the GMO companies arm twist governments world over to spread their business while the people are opposing it and in the present case the companies even smuggled in the seeds it seems. It is the government which is destroying the crops here. Secondly, how many of these 2000 studies are sponsored by the very GMO companies?

  • What_no_change???

    Glad to see there are countries that understand how bad this stuff is…Here in the US GMO Corn is not controlled by the FDA but by the EPA because it is recognized for what it is … a Pesticide. Most people feed our kids pesticide without knowing it. BRAVO Hungary, The USA could learn from you!

    • DianneP

      Japan is the country who positively will never cave in and refuses GMO imports.
      Europe was another until recently. Priince Phillip, bless his heart has come out against Monsanto’s GMO’s and farming practices, especially in India. Approx. 120,000 cotton farmers committed suicide over poor crops and unable to afford GMO seeds. Monsanto sues farmers despite their problems due to he contracts farmers have to sign. .

      • hyperzombie

        Japan imports millions of tons of GMOs per year, same with Europe. THe cotton farmers are not committing suicide and 98% of them grow GMO cotton to this day.

      • Michael McCarthy

        “Japan is the country who positively will never cave in and refuses GMO imports”
        I don’t know if you are ignorant, or simply lying.
        http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/16503041/japan-approves-sale-of-genetically-modified-papayas-from-hawaii

        https://www.isaaa.org/gmapprovaldatabase/approvedeventsin/default.asp?CountryID=JP

      • Jason

        Here’s a link showing the top 10 importers of US corn (which, you likely know is all GMO). Take a look at who’s number 1.

        http://www.grains.org/market-data/charts-tables#block-grains-charts-chart4

      • Terry Hill

        Incorrect, Dianne (again). Gish gallop arguments at their worst.

        Japan’s political decision to not allow growing of GM crops in Japan commercially hasn’t stopped them importing and using them. So no, they don’t ‘refuse’ GMO imports.
        More stupidity> Suicides in India are NOT related whatsoever to GMO. Please check your facts and use resources other than ‘NaturalNews’ or ‘Mamavation’. Try some of the English language press from India for the facts, not agendas. There are massive political and economic pressures on farmers in many Indian provinces, and failed crops due to soil overuse, drought or floods have led very poor farmers to suicide.
        Please provide citation regarding Monsanto suing farmers in India.

    • MildJoe

      Not gonna argue that Monsanto isn’t an evil company, but the science behind GMOs is pretty sound. Labeling all GMOs as ‘bad’ is just kind of ignorant, a lot of it is just geared towards greed.

      • What_no_change???

        That science goes both ways. I think it is important to drill down to where the funding for the study comes from to determine weather it is sound or not. The concept that gets missed all to often specifically when it comes to corn is how much corn and corn products (all GMO) that the average American ingests. Corn syrup is in practically everything that is produced in this country. High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFC) is even worse. It’s in everything from coffee creamers to ketchup and even items that appear to be healthy alternatives to soda (practically all HFC) fruit juices. The labeling in this country has become a joke and the reason is that the FDA is run by people who are seriously connected to companies like Monsanto. Last I’ll add if the GMO model is so good why has the GMO lobby been fighting labeling products as GMO for years. Funneling hundreds of millions of dollars to fight every labeling initiative that hits anywhere? If I had a product that I knew and could prove was so much better than what was currently being offered I’d be fighting for the labels on the items, in fact I’d be putting my own labels in huge letters on each item. But the GMO lobby consistently tries to hide it. Makes me go HMMM no I’ll pass.

  • Dan Howe

    Then let them starve.

    • Anil

      There is already more food produced in the world than necessary for entire population. It is just a question of reducing wastage of food and smart distribution of food.

      • DianneP

        I agree, studies have proven that the numbers used to further gmo crops is out of whack. Feed the world GMO’s. They will not starve but they will not be healthy.

    • Rae Fultz

      Are you insane? There’s more food wasted in the US every year than what is eaten, all while people STARVE!

  • Yvonne Shek

    But that looks like wheat to me…

    • Warren Lauzon

      It is actually grass. The photo is stolen from a report on Russian grass fires from 2010.

      • Abe Kline

        That was impressive

  • Captain Obvious

    that’s only 1.56 square miles. doesn’t seem like much.

  • Captain Obvious

    that’s only 1.56 square miles. doesn’t seem like much.

  • Captain Obvious

    Besides the headline, this article doesn’t actually state that Monsanto had anything to do with the seed stock. This is a shittiliy written article. Maybe somebody should fact check this.

    • Philton TBBUIM

      More than 90% of GMO fields in the world come from Monsanto, so you can say it’s Monsanto GMO with an error rate less than 10 percent…

      • DianneP

        Monsanto split their company in two, years back. The Monsanto we talk of was and is all about ’round up’, hence messing around with DNA became their major objective. It amazes me how it all began and played out. At the time it was the people in Europe who swayed their governments to ban all GMO crops. Monsanto used Washington to fight that and here we are… EU union okays with Monsanto yet is allowing individual countries to opt out. One blogger coined the name, MONSATAN. No wonder Monsanto is rebranding their name etc.

        • hyperzombie

          Monsanto split up in 1990, sold off the chemical division and became a Ag company. All plant breeding messes with the DNA, it is the whole point.

        • Terry Hill

          Please confirm Dianne, from your understanding, which countries totally ban GMOs in the world… out of the 196 recognised nations?
          The answer, to help you out – is Kenya. Yes, one. And they are looking to overturn this as it was purely a political decision not evidence-based.
          Another set of between 40-60 countries have an import injunction or growing ban on some varieties of GMO only (not all GMOs).
          The majority of the world isn’t as anti-science as the US.

      • hyperzombie

        Nope, 90% may have a trait developed by Monsanto, but Monsanto sells less than half the GMO seed.

      • Willie S

        Article says Pioneer. Which is not Monsanto. Not very well written.
        All seed doesn’t come from Monsanto like the 90% mentioned. Several companies breed it like Pioneer who was mentioned.

    • Philton TBBUIM

      Watch this before “defending” Monsanto please…

    • DianneP

      Firstly, I believe it was from 2011 when a farmer had ordered non gmo seeds and was shipped Monsanto seeds by mistake or maybe with intent. Since Hungary never agreed to GMO farming, the farmer had to destroy his crop and not grow anything that year and the next. I am sure we will never know exactly what happened . I do know that Monsanto actually bought a farm in a SA country to get the country to accept GMO soy. Unfortunately it worked. Some south American countries want out from Monsanto’s expensive annual seeds as the farmers are not liking it.

      • Lulu Morin

        Exactly, a continuous flow of money to mansanto for seeds that are modified to die off each year.

        • Jackson

          No seeds are modified to die off each year. GURT technology has never been put in a commercial product.

        • Terry Hill

          Cite your source for this belief? Because…no, it’s not true.

          • JoeFarmer

            You’d tend to think that if “Lulu” really knew something about “flow of money” she’d be able to spell the name of the company in question correctly.

            I guess us outsiders will just have to hop on EDGAR and look at their 10k forms…

        • Warren Lauzon

          Say what? Where did you come up with that?

        • Rickinreallife

          Lulu I might join you in your indignation if that were actually true. I am amazed how this belief is so persistent when it is so easily put to the test and so evidently inconsistent with every other indictment of the utilization of genetic engineering as a means of accessing and generating genetic diversity available to breeding programs.

          Try this thought experiment. Everybody condemns Monsanto for suing farmers for violating seed saving restrictions. Why would Monsanto even bother if it would be futile for farmers to save the seed, and why would farmers want to save seed. I urge you to read the celebrity cases that ge critics point to as examples og ge company bullying –the actual court decisions, not GMO Watch, Food Theocracy (Democracy-sorry, couldn’t resist) Now, and others description of the cases. Percy Schmeiser is one, Bowman v. Monsanto is another. Read the stipulated facts in each case. What you learn is that in both cases, the defendants replanted seeds harvested from ge crops, not just one year, but multiple seasons in a row. They also purified the seeds by applying roundup and saving seed from just the plant’s that survived, repeating that for several seasons. How could that ha e been done with seeds modified to die off, by which I take to mean are genetically programmed to produce non fertile seed.

          But you do t have to take my word for it. Do the experiment yourself. Go buy a bushel of soybeans front yhe elevator, ask a farmer for some, he’ll go and take some from a field some night. Take them home and plant them in some pots. You could apply roundup to them to confirm they have the roundup ready trait. If they sprout, you have already disproven the terminator is synonymous with gmo. You are probably already forming a copout “But, I would be in violation of Monsantos patent and I would get in trouble” What I don’t understand is why anti-gmo groups have not felt constrained by laws against vandalism a d trespass to destroy crops and experiments but would be suddenly law abiding conformist not to demonstrate that terminator traits are real and wide,y or universally deployed in ge varieties. Ask yourself why groups like those I mentioned have not already done what I described and pasted it all over the internet.

      • Warren Lauzon

        Actually the seeds were not GMO. They came from Monsanto – which also has dozens of non-GMO varieties, and the ignorant folks there just assumed that since Monsanto is the lord of the evil empire, that they MUST be GMO. Also note the story was from 2011.

  • Captain Obvious

    Why, regardless of the time of posting, do the same comments stay at the top of the comments list? Fair question. Is it pay to play?

    • nick

      You probably have the sort option set to “sort by best” rather than “sort by newest”.

  • goose

    Wrong.

  • likeyoudontalreadyknow

    Too bad. They could have sold it to make Ethanol.

  • Randy L

    Starve then.

  • pwesley

    Bunch of uneducated, back-woods, anti-science quacks.

    I’ll bet they deny vaccines as well. One day they’ll all wake up with no crops…dying of measles…and ask the US to bail them out. When will people finally learn that Monsanto & Big Pharma are scientific institutions, not some nefarious conspiracy.

    • Angela King

      Um perhaps when the evidence says otherwise…

      • Terry Hill

        What evidence, Angela?
        For your information anecdotes =/= evidence.

      • Terry Hill

        What evidence Angela?

        • JoeFarmer

          “I know somebody and they said their pigs wouldn’t eat GMO corn. And the squirrels wouldn’t eat it either!”

          Yeah,
          stuff like that. Just like the 9/11 insiders that are the only ones
          who know about the microthermite that took down WTC 1 & 2.

          Besides
          the lack of science knowledge in the population as a whole, we have a
          serious credulity problem. Is critical thinking a part of No Child Left
          Behind? Don’t think so.

    • Attila

      Hungary is located on the fertile plains of the Carpathian Basin, often referred to as one of the breadbaskets of Europe. We’ve been one of the world’s leading agricultural nations for over a thousand years and developed many techniques and skills now used by farmers all over the world. Our horticultural knowledge is far superior to whatever a few bureaucrats in the US backed by a multi-billion dollar corporate enterprise have to say. We’ve been successfully growing and feeding ourselves and others with natural, unmodified food since antiquity, passing on vital knowledge and skills from generation to generation. “One day they’ll wake up with no crops”… because our non-GMO crops will just magically die out one day because science… LOL. Back in reality, the only thing severely hurting our agrarian economy is big multinational corporations buying up our land.

      Please educate yourself next time and take your condescending bigoted attitude elsewhere.

    • Frederick Rhodes

      Vaccines use dead or weakened viruses to trigger our immune systems to develop a defense. The chicken pox vaccine caused some of these weakened viruses to mutate/evolve into the shingles and herpes viruses as a result. now we need a new vaccine for those, and in the future a new one for those newly evolved viruses…

      • Michael McCarthy

        “The chicken pox vaccine caused some of these weakened viruses to mutate/evolve into the shingles and herpes viruses as a result. now we need a new vaccine for those, and in the future a new one for those newly evolved viruses”
        Wow, just wow. OK, since you’ve never been in a science classroom after 8th grade. Chicken pox is a types of Herpes virus, Varicella zoster virus, which hangs out in your nerves and can become shingles later in life. Shingles has existed long before the chicken pox vaccine, and those that received the chicken pox vaccine are unlikely to develop shingles as they will never have had an active chicken pox infection.

        • Dennis

          Don’t confuse him with facts!

      • Preston Pope

        Really? I wonder how Shingen Takeda, a samurai of the Japanese Warring States era managed to get shingles before small pox vaccinations were even IMAGINED. Time travel. Clearly.

      • Warren Lauzon

        Say what??? Did you learn your science at the Creation Science Museum?

      • Fraser Hawkins

        Bahahaha! Oh man,

    • Thomas Paul Henry

      Bwahahahah…hyperbole much?….you have no idea who you are defending….

    • Diana

      you sound suspiciously like one of monsanto’s trolls–or perhaps you’re sufficiently conditioned to parrot what the suits tell the masses what to think.
      and the US doesn’t bail anyone out. well, its citizens respond to calls for humanitarian action, but the US govt is only interested in expanding its corporate empire at the expense of humanity. and it has nothing to do with conspiracy: it’s an insatiable, incomprehensible need for power and control.
      start with the Power Principle documentary and take a first-hand look for yourself what corporate government is capable of. there are many other credible, verifiable resources out there for those who are genuinely looking to cultivate their own intellectual self-defense, but you most certainly won’t find it in mainstream media–or in our ostensibly esteemed institutions.
      by the way, for those that are uninformed, for those that look to others to tell them what to think and how to think. you’re, no doubt, doing an excellent job at spreading misinformation. monsanto should give you a raise. 🙂
      be well. just don’t eat any gmo food!

  • David J. Drummond

    what a bunch a specious crap. worst attack article I’ve read in a while. It is essentially a form of bullying or even, dare I say, terrorism. Ignorant masses holding a gun to humanities head because people never learned shit about genetics or chemistry in high school. I feel embarrassed for countries like that,that put more time into listening to the lowest common denominator instead of thinking things through and relying on expert advisement..

    • Lulu Morin

      Seriously?? You think it is acceptable for people to try to buy a specific product but be sold a modified product instead?

      • Abe Kline

        Modified? Oh, you mean like every agricultural product? Ever try wild corn? Or wild bananas? How do you think seedless grapes were invented? Did you know that it took 30 years of painstaking work to come up with the perfect pistachio? But now it is the only one grown.
        And there are tons of products that are now able to be grown using less water, fewer resources, fewer fertilizers, and less effort per pound of food. There are also initiatives to increase nutrition and decrease allergens using modification.

        • Dave Jeffers

          have you ate a banana lately ? we have stopped buying them because they have NO Flavor & they are trash and so are the grapes and yes there is real seed available that are not GMO or GE seed !

          • Jason

            The grapes I had this weekend were delicious. And FYI… there are no GMO grapes, so of course there is seed available that is not GMO.

          • Angela King

            The taste has been unintentionally bred out of them in favor of shelf life and resistance to pests. GE = done in a lab GMO ~ hybrids Food doesn’t taste anything like it did 50 years ago.

          • Terry Hill

            How do you know, Angela? Because your grandparents told you (anecdote)? Or is it because your taste buds atrophy over time and you become less sensitive to tastes (fact), and people’s memory of a taste’s strength is sketchy at best, and prone to exaggeration (fact)?
            Flavour strength is usually governed by environmental factors such as soil type and condition, the amount of sunlight/rain received and even heat/cold during growth.

          • Ray Emery

            I would be very interested to hear the variety of grapes was that you bought. Please share that with us.

          • Jason

            How do you tell what variety it was? It was in the same plastic bag that grapes come in everytime I buy them. They were green grapes, if that’s what you’re asking.

          • Ray Emery

            With a seedless? Seedless? How do you know they were non GMO? Were they organic?

          • Jason

            Easy… Because there are no GMO grapes approved in the US.

          • Jackson

            Interesting history of grapes and biotech if you ever want to look into it. In the mid 1800s phylloxera was devastating the grape crop for wine in France, nearly wiping out the entire industry. The solution was to graft the French varieties onto root stock from the Americas, which were resistant. There was huge resistance from the public on this, similar to the fight against biotech today.

            Edit: I think the root stock used came from Missouri, so somewhat local to you.

          • Jason

            I have read that when hybrid corn was first being introduced, it met with a similar level of resistance. Claims of “it’s not natural” and ” I can’t save my seed” were, apparently, common.

          • Ray Emery

            Vinfera will not grow in this country because of phylloxera unless they are grafted to native rootstock.I can’t speak for other parts of the country, but here in New York the most common stock is C3309.

          • Ray Emery

            Were they seedless?

          • Jason

            Of course.

          • Michael McCarthy

            I don’t know about you, I just bought some red seedless the other day and they actually have the Non-GMO project verified sticker added. Seems like a waste of money to me, but if it boosts sales, whatever.

          • hyperzombie

            It is not a waste of money to the Non-GMO project verified folks, they must love products like this,very little research needed. There are all kinds of crazy Non GMO products, including diapers and condoms.

          • Warren Lauzon

            The non-GMO project must be making a ton of money off of this woo. Not sure how much it costs for certification label, have heard $6,000-$8,000.

          • Michael McCarthy

            well, I for one do not want any GMO condoms, I only plant heirloom condoms for my family to use. You can keep your frankencondoms!

          • Warren Lauzon

            There is even salt with that stupid non-GMO label on it. It has turned into nothing but a marketing term aimed at people that are totally ignorant about science and what a GMO is.

          • Michael McCarthy

            Yup. Actually, if the grapes hadn’t been cheaper and really tasty, I probably would have bought some other type out of spite. I actually had reservations about buying them since they came from CA and had clearly been irrigated.

          • Warren Lauzon

            Perhaps because there are no GMO grapes on the market anywhere?

          • Terry Hill

            Flavour in bananas comes from the time of the season, soil condition and amount of rain during growing times. Have you bothered with facts lately, rather than just home-spun anecdotes?

          • Dave Jeffers

            who’s payroll are you on ? Monsanto ‘s ? because you don’t care about peoples health I can tell that by the way you write !

          • Terry Hill

            No Dave, I’m not on anyone’s payroll. I care about science, evidence and facts, not fear-mongering horse crap borne of ignorance like this.

            You can tell by the way I write? What?

            That I’m educated and not a moronic follower of ill-informed nonsense? Well, that’s true.

            I know how to structure a sentence, so that makes me a shill? Seriously?

            By the way, this story is RECYCLED from 2011. It’s not even news.

          • Nemesis Ghost

            I can tell by the way you write that either you don’t care about how you come off or are an uneducated idiot. Or did you forget about how to write proper sentences, like most of us learned before the 3rd grade?

          • Dave Jeffers

            Just a bit smarter than you, your so smart DA.

        • Frederick Rhodes

          GMO’s do not include natural or man made cross breeding/hybrids, natural variations/sports, or natural genetic adaptations like you suggested. GMO’s are made in a lab, splicing genes from one organism into the host organism. The unseen problems with this are potentially disastrous for humanity because single celled micro-organisms can evolve at a much faster pace than us complex organisms.

          • Michael McCarthy

            “The unseen problems with this are potentially disastrous for humanity because single celled micro-organisms can evolve at a much faster pace than us complex organisms.”
            Well, congratulations, that’s a new one. So, the gene they took and put into the plant will evolve faster because it came from a bacteria?

          • JoeFarmer

            So, what about “Non-GMO” plant breeding methods that are performed in a lab?

            Forced polyploidy isn’t done in the field, champ. Chemical mutagenesis (how you perform forced polyploidy), radiation mutagenesis, embryo rescue, etc.

            How do you think organic ruby red grapefruit happened? Or organic seedless watermelon?

          • Nemesis Ghost

            What the hell do you think a GMO is? It’s a Genetically modified organism, meaning that in some way we messed with it. And every method for those modifications, whether for simple breeding or through trans-organism DNA migration, are all naturally occurring. Bloody hell, you people are dumber than a sack of bricks.

      • Abe Kline

        Also, if you are complaining about non-labelling, you CAN purchase certified GMO free foods from the Non-GMO Project. No one is stopping you

        • Angela King

          Not the point of this article. A country decided to not grow GE crops. They were illegally grown and thus burned.

          • Michael McCarthy

            “They were illegally grown and thus burned.”
            Did you read a different article than everyone else?
            “The GMO maize has been ploughed under”

            Additionally, the farmers have stated they were unaware that the seeds were GE, so saying they were grown illegally is imprecise. But I guess it doesn’t matter that these farmers had their crops destroyed, no chance to replant and will receive no compensation. That’s fair, isn’t it?

          • Warren Lauzon

            First: The article is recycled from 2011. Second: The seeds were not GMO.

    • Attila

      Oh no, a nation of people who’s ancestors pioneered agriculture in Europe and spread farming techniques and skills all over the world are bullying multinational corporations… whatever are we going to do!

    • karen

      What Expert? Monsanto experts that say they are safe?

      • Terry Hill

        So do thousands of independent university studies, government researchers and science organisations. Happy to link you as many as you are prepared to actually read, rather than dismiss because it doesn’t suit your paradigm.

        • karen

          I can come up with just as many claiming their harmful. BTW the goverment says what the highest $$ tells it too.

          American Academy of Environment Medicine, Seralini from the university of Caen in France,

          How about you check out the documentary
          The World According to Monsanto.

          • JoeFarmer

            How about you try?

            Seralini’s lumpy rat study? Carman’s pig abuse exercise? Show us what you’ve got!

          • Brad Ley

            Hi Karen, as someone with a PhD in chemistry currently working in a biotech field (Sponsored by your tax dollars alone(thanks!)) I can tell you that the VAST majority of scientists consider GMOs to be very low risk. I’m not saying its impossible to accidentally create a problematic GMO, but for the most part I personally (as well as independently polled scientists) see them as a non-risky way to feed the world and make foods MORE nutritious. The FDA is also very careful about the GMOs it approves which make things like Monsanto’s corn all the more low risk. However I’m rather pleased with the European nations going against GMOs, it means America is going to get lots of science/tech jobs over the next 30 years as these companies move all their research to America. Great for the economy, our health, and food prices.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            government funded….enough said…U.S. is a fascist country that is in bed with big Agri/ Monsanto….creditability is lost when you take money from the people you are doing the study on/for

          • Jason

            So… let me get this straight. People cry that all of the science is paid for by big business, but as soon as the government starts paying for independent studies, they’re labelled as “in bed with big Ag”??

            Seems a bit like a no win situation… doesn’t it?

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            Not “as soon as”…the distrust for the government has been going on for a while now…where you been? Big business and U.S. Government have been in bed for decades…oil, food, pharma, etc. Read the NDRP and recognize that this is a fascist/totalitarian country. Corporations and government colluding and writing laws for some and allowing others do what ever brings in money for the pollies. The govt and corps ARE one and the same.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            Where do you think the money the govt gets to fund these studies come from? Tax payers? or lobbyist asking Congressman/Senator so and so for a “favor”….by the way here’s 100 extra grand for the misses, make sure there is a favorable outcome, by the way our next facility will be in your district. Don’t say it doesn’t happen because it does ….a lot! Watch the end of these shows on Discovery/ NatGeo…they will have a 1hr special on ADHD and cures treatments…but at the end of the show, in the credits, it will have sponsored by Eli Lilly or a subsidiary of it…

          • Jason

            Well, up above, it was established that this was tax payer funded.

            But otherwise, great little conspiracy theory you have there.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            You must not been around politians and/or corporations….if you really don’t think this is how it works, ask someone you know that is around the system and ask them to explain it to you. Don’t take a guys word on the internet…:)…

          • Jason

            It’s a moot point. This man said that he gets public funding for research such as this. Somone else claimed that means the govt is in bed with Big Ag. That’s what we’re referring to. If you’re referring to something other than that then it’s off topic.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            nope…I’m referring that government/public money is as dirty as the money given by a corporation/private funds…

          • Jason

            I guess that explains why we have health warnings on cigarettes and why oil companies haven’t been able to squelch climate change data.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            Climate Change?…oh you are one of those…good luck…getting the earth to stop rotating and the sun to stop spitting radiation…dont worry im sure they will say a mini ice age is coming in a few years…oh yeah they tried that already in the 70s …Ken Lay/Al Gore’s scam/ polar bear drowning….NOAA and NASA getting caught multiple times fudging info…no thanks… thanks for conversation but I can see where you head is at…in a seeded cloud somewhere…

          • Jason

            Topic change? At lease it’s good to know you’re an equal opportunity science denier. Wanna add vaccines to the list too?

            The point being made was that petroleum companies have more money than God. Why haven’t they been able to buy some positive publicity in this area… especially if it’s all fake anyway?

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            Ok… 1. Someone with multiple science degrees, is not a science denier, 2. I worked in the medical field within the military for over a decade in 40 different countries, 3. I still work for the government.
            That being said….I have a $h..t-load of different experiences and have been privy to a lot of things that most read about, especially what was/is happening in Africa. Africa is basically a petri-dish of what these govts/corps are doing. They buy off leaders and are able to do things they can’t do anywhere else. Do you know about the human trials of the Ebola vaccine in January 2014 in Sierra Leone (ran by Tekmira and Tulane) weeks before the outbreak? How about the 100’s of pharmaceutical companies doing other questionable acts in labs all over west Africa, ran by DOD contractors? How about Glasco Smith Klien in Argentina? Polio outbreak in India after vaccines? The science of vaccines is sound, its the companies that I do not trust. Again, my personal experience is what I base my thoughts on…
            There is more to this world then what Fauxnews/CNN/MSNBC/universities, etc (all who get paid by corporate money, i.e. pharmaceuticals, fast food restaurants, funds for research, etc). So you think they would report over the hands that feed them? Petro companies don’t need to have positive publicity, we got to buy their products anyway…they make dirty billions and if get caught doing something bad, they get a million dollar fine….
            I do not give these people, whether its government, corporations, media, etc. any trust from me. I have seen their true colors and its green. If they will drone civilians, run guns, start wars, experiment on kids, then they don’t give a damn about human life. If they don’t give a damn about human life over there why would Americans be any different?

          • Jason

            Why would having a science degree have any impact on whether or not you deny what the overwhelming majority of the scientific community has already agreed upon?

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            see other reply…

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            Here’s an example: The EPA is shutting down coal plants. except the ones owned by GE. GE made 14billion but paid zero taxes last yr. GE’s CEO Jeffery Immelt is a Fed Reserve Board member and is Chairman of Obama’s economic team….gee. nothing to see here, right…no colluding or conflict of interest?

          • Jason

            So… regardless of whether or not any of that is true, how does it say anything about the overall science coming out on any of these issues?

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            Because the people are doing science based on money and promotions not for correct science. The “science” is being skewed. There are just as many that disagree with what (MSS) main stream science says then agree.. That’s not science…science is or isn’t …anything else is theory, ideology or just plain greed.

          • Jason

            “Because the people are doing science based on money and promotions not for correct science. “

            Based on what evidence?

            “There are just as many that disagree with what (MSS) main stream science says then agree.”
            Just as many that disagree? That’s just not true. That’s why we call it a “consensus”.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            ok…I don’t need to convince you of anything…I gave you more then enough info if you truly wanted to know things…but I see you just have a need to prove someone wrong…figure it out on your own…in a few years you will have an ah ha moment and you will start to look into these companies/govts and who is who and what is what. Until then, honestly, good luck with yourself…what is happening in the sciences is not a consensus because there is not 100% agreement. Without consensus, science doesn’t work. It is or it is not and if two, three, four, people come to different conclusions…it is not science, its theorem. Keep watching MSM and read your same website and stay within your box…don’t go outside of it and try to understand the other side view…even if it would be for a laugh. I was where you were once. Take the questions you asked me and apply them to your study and get your answers on you own…you will learn more. PEACE.

          • Jason

            You gave pieces of information, that in your mind, support some grand conspiracy. The problem is that we weren’t discussing your grand conspiracy. We were discussing the fact that someone was receiving tax dollars for independent research and that others consider that to be the government supporting Big-Ag. You’ve tried to change the topic, but I’m not really interested in your conspiracies, so I haven’t been taking your bait.

            As for this silliness.. ““what is happening in the sciences is not a consensus because there is not 100% agreement.”

            Maybe you should look up what a consensus is?

          • Terry Hill

            So what you’re saying Thomas is that everyone who doesn’t agree with MY BELIEFS is wrong. Don’t you realise how that sounds?

            The first thing you need to identify is that you know it’s a conspiracy theory when you are told that it’s something only you and a handful of others know, despite literally mountains of contradictory evidence, and everyone else are ‘sheeple’ if they don’t believe you.

            Nice little cult of crazy you’ve got going on there.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            So If I disagree with your view then…”MY BELIEFS is wrong. Don’t you realise how that sounds?

            The first thing you need to identify is that you know it’s a conspiracy theory when you are told that it’s something only you and a handful of others know”….
            Words work both ways. Get out of YOUR bubble. There are just as many on my side as yours, you choose not to read or acknowledge it because of some unexplained desire to be part of the system. Look at how many countries have already banned GMO along with other items (vaccines), all the countries you named are basically the same countries, just like they can have military alliances, there are corporate alliances as well.
            …If you don’t agree with my beliefs, fine…you have yours and I have mine….I’ll choose to eat and drink as pure/natural and untainted food/water that I can. You can eat the stuff that govt/corporations produce. That’s what freedom is….a choice.

          • Terry Hill

            You can twist things, can’t you?!
            1. I don’t claim to know what only a handful of people know. I looked at the available data, and the sources of that data, and found an overwhelming landslide of evidence showing no more harm from GMOs than conventional crops.
            2. I studied biology to understand how cells work, and more about genetics. I found that there is over forty years of quality research in genetics and genetic engineering, and a massive range of protocols in place that must be adhered to in the processes of identifying, classifying and manipulating genomes.
            3. Which countries have a total ban on GMOs, Thomas? Kenya? Because, if you read anything beyond the headlines you so freely swallow from Natural News and Mercla (pretty wealthy little money making enterises, those) you’d notice that while some countries on the oft-touted lists ban either growing of particular strains, growing of GMOs OR importing of particular variations, none do all three. Hand some on the list don’t even actually have ANY bans, they’ve just ‘opted out’ of use or have moratoriums in place. South Australia (laughably on the list) had a moiorium, but still had GMO crops being researched at my alumnus University of Adelaide – I know, I’ve seen them. Further, there were no import restrictions at all. No labeling laws.
            4. At no stage would I have ever cared about what ridiculous beliefs you hold with regards to your anti-science, anti-vaccine, new world order, illuminati global conspiracy lunacy if you were not trying to force it across onto others as FACT. It simply is not fact. It is no more fact than a flat earth, Bigfoot or alien abductions.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            “At no stage would I have ever cared about what ridiculous beliefs you hold with regards to your…”
            That’s why you replied, right?…good day….

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            By the way…I’m not “anti-” any of what you stated…I stated I don’t trust the companies and governments involved….and I never said anything about NWO or any of the other crap you insinuated…

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            http://investor.arbutusbio.com/releases.cfm?Year=&ReleasesType=&PageNum=4
            look at Jan 14 2014 and go forward…they made a killing.

          • Jason

            Great! Now.. how does that indicate that anything about the quality of science coming out on GMO crops or Global warming?

          • Thomas Paul Henry

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          • Terry Hill

            So how about 10 years of independent, tax payer funded Australian studies? What about independent university studies (full disclosure, no corporate funding)? How about several UK government studies? Or New Zealand? I can provide links… oh, wait — it’s bigger that we all thought!!! The whole WORLD has been bought by MONSATAN!!!
            FFS.

          • Warren Lauzon

            You have no idea what fascism even is, obviously.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            When governments and corporations collude its fascism or corporatism….same difference….and don’t start with the R/L paradigm, its all authoritarian or totalitarian
            “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power”- Benito Mussolini….I believe he understood it….

          • Christoph Tietje

            No, you cannot come up with as many studies claiming they are harmful. The vast majority does not find anything. And the ones that do, like the infamous one Seralini did, often have to be retracted because they do not satisfy scientific principles.

            Your world view is simply biased. For you, there are only two kinds of studies. Those that irrefutably prove that GMOs are bad and those that irrefutably prove that scientists are corrupt and can be bought by evil corporations like Monsanto.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            blah blah blah

          • Christoph Tietje

            Thanks for that eloquent reply. You really do make a point. By the way, your other posts sound a lot like they’re coming from a truther. What else do you believe in? The Zionist Occupied Government? That 9/11 was an inside job? The Moon landing hoax, maybe?

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            nice strawman…

          • Christoph Tietje

            That wasn’t a strawman. Don’t you realize how much all conspiracy theorists have in common? Fundamentally, they are all the same. They easily dismiss tons of scientific studies if they don’t happen to support their crank opinions and hold views that are completely rejected by the scientific community. They see the world as black and white, where some sinister group, be it Monsanto or the Jews or whoever, secretly withholds critical information and the sheeple are just to stupid to see through the plot? How do your posts not fit into that picture?

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            So Monsanto didn’t know Agent Orange would kill servicemen? They didn’t try to cover it up for 20+ yrs…? Sounds like they are on the up and up don’t they?
            I don’t know how people like you automatically side with these companies and govts. I guess that’s how they get away with a lot of their crap, is because people like you blindly following their PR …by the way the Kardashians are on at 5.

          • Christoph Tietje

            Your posts are a great collection of fallacies. Not only did you change the subject all of a sudden and started talking about Agent Orange, probably because you failed to disprove any of my points, you also included personal attacks. I disagree with you, therefore I am too stupid to realize you are right.

            Also, I don’t automagically side with big business. I usually side with the scientific consensus. If you claim that the consensus is wrong, I expect you to come up with some evidence to support your point.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            My point was Monsanto poisoned people for money and knew it…they make the GMO seeds…therefore I would not trust them to make my food or be in my food production…why is that so hard for you to understand? And if you need proof, look it up.
            Consensus is an agreement…the are plenty of scientist out there that don’t agree…science is or is not…its 100%…not 99.9%, but 100%…if there is not 100% of ALL scientist in agreement then there is not a scientific consensus.

          • Jason

            You should probably look up what a consensus is:

            From Merriam-Webster
            a : general agreement
            b : the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned

            Sounds like it’s not “100%” as you make it out to be.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            consensus is one thing, scientific consensus is another….

          • Jason

            Well… scientific consensus would be a consensus on a scientific matter. For example… the scientific consensus on the safety of Genetic Modification technology.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            I changed the subject because I was conversing with someone else.

          • Warren Lauzon

            The guy is pretty far out there, and quite the racist also, judging from one of his posts: [quote] “Most blacks don’t go get the correct paperwork done…it takes more then signing your name with a X.”

          • Warren Lauzon

            Now that you have used up all your fake studies – Seralini’s lumpy rats, and the abused pigs – you are reduced to sticking your fingers in your ear and shouting LA LA LA LA

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            you must have replied to the wrong person…I never said anything about Seralini’s…but ok, I’ll bite….LA LA LA LA….

          • Warren Lauzon

            Hahaha… Seralini… Did you actually cite that bogus “study” as a source?

          • Terry Hill

            No you can’t Karen, because they don’t exist.

            I conservatively estimate that you will not find ONE peer reviewed, quality (non-retracted) study from a single reputable (non ‘pay to publish’) scientific journal that supports this view. On the other hand, I can provide (and will happily link you to) around 1800 ACTUAL scientific studies, from universities and government research laboratories, with full disclosure – that WERE NOT funded by GMO/GE companies or their subsidiaries. Yes, 1800 INDEPENDENT studies. Done over 25 YEARS.

            I can add in another 200 that were funded either partially or wholly by the GM/GE research organisations, but I know you’ll cry foul there.

            Seralini – really? For a start… Have you even READ his paper (not that I believe for a second you have the intellectual ability to comprehend the fallacious errors in his retracted paper)? Seralini is famous for an earlier study where he was paid by the American Sugar Growers to produce a paper claiming aspartame caused cancer (also a retracted study) after thirty other researchers, universities and laboratories refused. His study on GMOs is loaded and full of errors even a novice can identify. His name is dirt in ALL academic and science circles – He’d be a good candidate for anti-GMOers, because he’s finding it hard to get work these days. (Oh, before you sprout off ‘it’s been republished – read this link:
            http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/06/24/scientists-react-to-republished-seralini-maize-rat-study/
            or this one:
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2014/06/24/profile-of-gilles-eric-seralini-author-of-republished-retracted-gmo-corn-rat-study/

            And you might as well cite ‘Moms Across America’ as the American Academy of Environment Medicine. They’re a self-confessed alternative and activist association. While their staff boast credentials, their beliefs are ‘fringe’ at best! They promote alternative medicines and range of debunked causes. You know, by ACTUAL science.

            Now, please point me to some… any… studies other than these two – oh, how about that ‘mystery’ study that was actually a magazine article that GMO Free USA or one of those crackpot mobs claimed someone ‘gave them the data’ for?

          • Terry Hill

            LOL Seralini is the biggest paid shill there is! The University of Caen refused to endorse his study after it was retracted for fundamental science errors and tampering with results. It was republished recently in a “pay to publish” journal that has no peer-review process. And the AAEM is an activist group, and in NO WAY independent.

            So how do you explain governments outside the US, with little or no presence of Monsanto? What about those government agencies in other countries dedicated to the protection of local eco systems (biosecurity) who are totally government funded? What about independent universities in other countries that are researching their own GMOs for drought and pest resistance?

            Your conspiracy theorist rant is tired. You need some new schtick.

        • Suzanne

          Um….university studies are NOT independent lol, who do you think funds “university studies” lmao! That was funny.

          • Terry Hill

            So Suzanne, do you think every university in the world is paid off by someone? Really?
            But not the one’s that support your narrow world view, I guess?

            Several Australian universities, not sponsored by Ag companies (Australian Government funded research) are developing drought-resistant GMO traits in crops here. No ‘big Ag’ involved. But they’re just in it for Monsanto, right?

            You really are too far down that rabbit hole.

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            You just keep telling yourself that….

          • Terry Hill

            Yeah, screw science, facts, government agencies, independently funded research… because Monsanto must be SOOOO rich that it can buy EVERY study, in every university and EVERY government around the world.
            Riiiigggghhhtttt.

          • Hempy mchemperson

            Are you conversely so naïve that you don’t think the people who pay the research to take place expect and hope for an outcome in their favor? You really are too far down that rabbit hole.

          • Terry Hill

            Hempy, dude, you’re tinfoil hat is on too tight.
            So now you don’t accept that at any time, anywhere in the world, there isn’t a single scientific study that isn’t ‘bought’? You are a conspiracy theorist grand master.
            Try the Australian Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation. I have a few friends who work there, who are paid public servant and who receive ZERO funding from Monsanto, or any of the other GE companies.
            They are tasked with ensuring the protection of Australia’s unique flora and fauna – protecting biodiversity – by thoroughly testing any plant or species or GMO that seeks permission to enter our country to ensure it has NO negative effect on animals, people, or the environment.
            Guess what? After ten years of study, the CSIRO have found GMOs to be safe to enter this country and to be grown commercially.
            Maybe you should spend less time looking out for others at the dark place at the bottom of the rabbit hole that you occupy, and take a science class or two. Seriously, you obviously lack even the most basic understanding of genetics or biology if you actually fear GMOs.

          • Hempy mchemperson

            *your

          • Hempy mchemperson

            And of course there’s plenty of agencies who are not sponsored by origin companies, it’s simply that none of them have funded a single long term healthy study. They are also not the dominant species of statics generators at the moment unfortunately. Until unsponsored testing happens multiple times, it’s conjecture or a singular outcome that suggests, but does not prove. Always look at the source of stats.

          • Fraser Hawkins

            So basically, the majority of scientific institutions aren’t to be trusted. Fuck science, right?

          • Mark Laszlo

            I have tremendous respect for science & scientists, except the hacks & frauds, who are more common because it is often safer for their careers to justify the hand that feeds them, & i don’t mean farmers.

          • Terry Hill

            Wow Mark, maybe, just maybe, speak to a farmer. My family and my wife’s family are farmers. They have no problems with GMOs, unlike the sanctimonious, over-abundance suffering middle-class white privilege activists.

          • Hempy mchemperson

            ah so that’s who you have your agenda against. Thank you for the reveal.

          • Terry Hill

            No agenda, hempy. Observation. Overwhelmingly those who are against GMOs are those with too much to eat and too much time on their hands.

            If you believe that because I’m for scientific advancement over societal stagnation and even regression that I’m somehow pro-Monsanto, you’re mistaken.

            I’m for science over fear mongering, wilful ignorance and stupidity. If you can’t see that there are also big corporations behind the anti-GMO push (to sell you overpriced ‘organics’) you’re as blind as can be, and no one can help you.

    • Lance

      It’s not just about whether they are safe or not, there are a host of issues at stake. Monsanto has patents that give them the right to claim farmers seeds that are even partially crossed with Monsanto’s. So a community or single farmer who could normally save their own seeds, or deal within their local economy for seeds, would then be forced to buy from Monsanto even if their crops were slightly cross with GMO varieties.

      When this happens on a global scale, without the resistance that Hungary has demonstrated, farmer’s then become dependent on a global corporation for suppling their seeds which has various consequences in terms of loss of knowledge and practice in the tradition of seed saving and the sustained cultivation of multiple varieties. This is straight from Monsanto’s website, “When farmers purchase a patented seed variety, they sign an agreement that they will not save and replant seeds produced from the seed they buy from us.”

      The use of GMO seeds is also closely tied with Monsanto’s other chemical products and fertilizers (Round-Up for example). While you might deem their products safe (lets just say for the sake of this argument that they are completely safe) they still create a system of farming that relies on the mere application of purchased chemicals rather than on the organic development of the soil through more sustainable and traditional means. So in a decade, one can easily imagine a global civilization that actually knows very little about how to farm without purchasing the products produced by a global corporation. That is concerning to me.

      So you can disagree with the article and Hungary’s actions because you feel GMO seeds are safe, but the arguments and reasons against GMO seeds (the above are just a few) go far beyond the scope of thought and consideration you’ve demonstrated in your comment.

      • Thomas Paul Henry

        BINGOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

        • Jason

          No one is “putting stock” in any company. We’re putting stock in scientific analysis. There is a tremendous amount of data on the safety of these crops. It doesn’t matter who is producing them. The data shows that they’re no more risky than conventional crops. As for the rest, that just comes from experience with how farming actually works.

          • Mark Laszlo

            “Conventional crops”? You mean hybrids already dependent on synth ferts & ‘cides? The agri-chemical industry has bought so much influence in agricultural colleges that like big pharma, it enjoys a government protected monopoly. That’s the kind of “expert” authority that has miseducated you for their own selfish ends, to make all farmers dependent on synthetics & otherwise alienate them from nature. You can’t work against it for long! They are members of a system that puts small farmers out of business, with their efficiencies, such as local sales w/o need to add the expense & nutritional lost of far shipping. How strange small farmers & local customers have to creatively build their own networks & are not considered “traditional”. It’s toxic, uniformly bred or modified monoculture that is non traditional. You have been taught not to know what “traditional” means.

          • Jason

            “”Conventional crops”? You mean hybrids already dependent on synth ferts & ‘cides? The agri-chemical industry has bought so much influence in agricultural colleges that like big pharma, it enjoys a government protected monopoly. “

            I mean crops that are not genetically engineered. I don’t care what production system you raise them under.
            And, I know… It’s easier to reconcile your beliefs if you just write of the entire American university system as “in the pocket of big Ag”. If that makes you feel good, you just go ahead & believe that.

            I like how you describe farmers purchasing fertilizers of their own free will as “dependent on synthetics”. Ok, nature-boy… Do you have a workable solution?

            And Who’s putting small farmers out of business? Small farmers are one of the segments that are growing. And are you really trying to claim that efficiencies are bad? You should probably check some facts before going on these little tirades.

          • Hempy mchemperson

            There is NO long term data, with a single control group. Not one. All you fake science thumpers quote the same mindless phrase, and yet the case study does not exist. Zero tests for safety, on human beings, with a single control group, for even a ten year period of time had ever taken place. Ever. You might as will just say Mickey Mouse looked at it once or twice and said it was safe because it’s got about as much validity if you’re actually genuinely concerned with true scientific methodology.

          • Jason

            You dolt. A study on human beings doesn’t exist because it’s illegal to do toxicity studies on humans. In order to determine the toxic level you need to kill some test subjects and, in this country, that’s a bit frowned upon. That’s why we test on other mammals as a good indicator of health risks. Those studies have been done many times.

            So please… Take your “no tests on humans” B.S. elsewhere. You’re either ignorant on the matter or being deceitful.

          • Jackson

            You missed a third option, where they actually are advocating for killing people in a toxicity study done on humans.

          • Jason

            Good point. Maybe I gave the benefit of the doubt where I shouldn’t have? 😉

          • Hempy mchemperson

            You do not need to kill anything, that is patently false. You need a volunteer control group of willing participants, who are monitored consistently against a test group, preferably by two to three separate agencies for proper peer review.

          • Jason

            You should really look into this before commenting. In order to determine toxicity, you need to measure how much of a substance it takes to kill. The measure of acute toxicity is LD50… Lethal Dose to kill 50% of the test population.

            But even if you didn’t, how do you figure it’s right to give human beings organ failure or chronic health issues when this stuff could easily be tested on rats and have a risk deduced just as easily?

            Better yet how do you get humans to stick to a strict controlled diet over a long period of time and control their exposure to the outside world to limit introducing additional variables into an experiment??

      • Jason

        “While you might deem their products safe (lets just say for the sake of this argument that they are completely safe) they still create a system of farming that relies on the mere application of purchased chemicals rather than on the organic development of the soil through more sustainable and traditional means.”

        So, what “organic development of the soil” would there need to be in order to prevent competition from crop weeds? Why shouldn’t farmers be allowed choice on how the address crop pests to allow for the best control measure available? Or even better, why couldn’t they use a combination of methods?

        • Lance

          By “organic” I didn’t necessarily mean USDA certified organic, I just mean organic in terms of using things like cover crops to fix certain nutritional elements rather than simply applying that nutritional element via a chemical or synthetic application. It’s nothing new, it’s how corn and other crops have been developed for years—the fact that many people can’t comprehend how to compete with weeds without dumping Round-Up on a crop that has been genetically modified to be resistant to Round-Up is indicative of the very problem I was trying to illustrate in my previous comment. The more this knowledge is lost, the more farmers will simply resort to becoming consumers and applying the chemical product instead of utilizing more natural methods to compete with weeds and build up the nutritional components of the soil.

          I agree that farmers should be able to choose how to best address pests and other such issues, but if a farmer switches to Monsanto seeds—they have no subsequent choices. Once you go Monsanto, you can’t really go back. There is no such thing as a “combination” of Monsanto seeds and something else. Once you start growing GMO seeds, you become a consumer-farmer who purchases patented products instead of an independent grower of food who uses seed varieties that are freely available for trade and purchase.

          I worked on an organic farm that doesn’t even use any organically approved sprays. It is a 20-acre abundant farm growing over 30 types of vegetables, it is sustainable and highly profitable. A incredible amount of work, wisdom and foresight goes into building up the soil, through composts, planting cover crops in the off season, rotating and/or resting the cultivation of certain areas, etc. It’s not some utopian or philosophical method of growing food that I am talking about here… people are doing it all over the world—and have been for centuries. (Check out The One Straw Revolution which tells the real story of a Japanese rice farmer who developed natural methods of farming that reduced labor requirements while also increasing yield.) But if Monsanto continues to encroach on these farmers and push their patented products, these methods will be lost and they’ll have no choice but to become consumer slaves to their supplier.

          http://www.amazon.com/The-One-Straw-Revolution-Introduction-Classics/dp/1590173139

          • Jackson

            Once you go Monsanto, you can’t really go back. There is no such thing as a “combination” of Monsanto seeds and something else. Once you start growing GMO seeds, you become a consumer-farmer who purchases patented products instead of an independent grower of food who uses seed varieties that are freely available for trade and purchase.

            This always baffles me. Say you buy some monsanto glyphosate/Bt stacked seeds in year one. What is preventing you from buying a completely different seed from a completely different company in year 2?

          • Lance

            In theory you should be able to do so. The problem is that if your Monsanto stacked seeds manage to re-seed and spring up the next year—even if you decided to cultivate a non-Monsanto variety, you run the risk of a lawsuit and legal battles for not paying the legal fees required by Monsanto to grow those seeds.

            Take this story for example:

            “In 1998, two years after the introduction of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) in Canada, the Schmeisers received a lawsuit notice from Monsanto which said that they were growing Roundup Ready canola without a license from Monsanto and that this was a patent infringement. Monsanto had a patent on a gene to make GM canola resistant to the glyphosate herbicide in its formulation Roundup. This came as a complete surprise to the Schmeisers who immediately realized that all their research and development on canola over the past fifty years had been contaminated by Monsanto’s GMOs.”

            I understand what you are saying in theory, but it just isn’t that cut and dry. There have also been cases where, be it wind or birds carrying seeds, that non-GMO fields near Monsanto seeded fields end up contaminated and then that farmer ends up with a patent infringement letter in the mail—despite not cultivating Monsanto seeds at all. Lawsuit ensues.

            Or say I don’t like my neighbor farmer and I just go throw a handful of Round-Up Ready seeds in his field. It doesn’t matter how they got there, if Monsanto finds out he is growing their patented seeds on his land he is guilty of infringement and may face legal action and fines.

          • hyperzombie

            “This came as a complete surprise to the Schmeisers”

            Funny, a surprise. He had 1000 acres of 98% GMO canola planted in nice neat rows, it was hardly surprising. Even Schmeiser admitted in court it wasn’t a case of cross contamination.

          • Lance

            I didn’t know the entire story behind the case, but yeah, I guess it doesn’t sound like he should have been surprised!

          • Jackson

            There has never actually been a lawsuit for accidental cross-pollination, or volunteer plants popping up. If you get some accidental contamination, you can even call up the company with the patent and they will remove it for you on their own dime. Those lawsuits are internet myths. Percy Shmeiser intentionally planted over a thousand acres of patented canola. That is a far cry from what you are trying to describe.

          • Lance

            I stand corrected then. I guess for me there are a lot of concerns that I have, but all those aside, I continue to be more intrigued by people like Masanobu Fukuoka, Eliot Coleman, and Sepp Holzer who rely heavily on innovation, creativity, sustainability, and generational knowledge of the land to grow nutritious food with impressive results—without the use of synthetic chemicals, patented products, or gene modification. Call me a luddite, but I will always root for the former.

          • Jason

            I understood what you meant. What I am asking is, what does a grower do to control weeds that you’d consider “organic”? I know what they did before GMO crops. They used other herbicides instead of glyphosate. Before that, they used mechanical tillage. but due to increases in our collective knowledge, we found that tillage is worse for soil health than herbicides and then later found that some herbicides have a lower impact on the environment than others. And here we are!

            I’m not really sure what you mean about a farmer losing choices once the switch to Monsanto seeds. Nothing could be farther from the truth. A farmer picks & chooses the seed they use every single year. And if they decided, one year, not to use Monsanto seeds, there are a host of competitors that would be very will to supply them with seed.

            As for this “But if Monsanto continues to encroach on these farmers and push their patented products, these methods will be lost and they’ll have no choice but to become consumer slaves to their supplier.”

            What you are describing are production techniques that could easily be used in combination with genetic modification. If both can be beneficial for different reasons, why shouldn’t farmers be able to employ them both?

          • Mark Laszlo

            Do you know how many soil organisms beneficial to your crops you kill by using synthetic fertilzers & ‘cides? Do you know how many non-target organisms, including polinators & pest predators you kill? When you rely on those poisons, you get trapped into dependence on their manufacturers, because they kill your natural crop protectors & environmental balancers. You may get more bushels per acre, but you have put nature out of whack & everyone pays for that sooner or later.

          • Jason

            Please tell me… How many soil organism so get killed? After all, the soil nitrogen cycle, crop residue breakdown process and soybean nitrogen fixation processes are entirely dependent on soil microorganism and yet, they work beautifully every single year. I wonder how? I wonder if more non-target organism are impacted by Bt crops or by the soil & foliar insecticide applications they replaced? They kill your crop protectors??? C’mon… I don’t know where you’re getting your info but someone’s feeding you a pretty good line of bull…

            And please tell me… How is nature out of whack more due to conventional farming than any other kind? Isn’t the very nature of agriculture “unnatural”?

          • hyperzombie

            Lance, you are comparing market gardening with row crop farming, it is not really a fair comparison.

            “cover crops”

            Cover crops don’t work well for most row crop farmers, it takes up valuable crop growing time, and it is very expensive. It works well with some veggies though, because some mature very early, giving you time for a cover crop.

            “fix certain nutritional elements”

            Almost all farmers do this, legumes are an important part of crop rotations. Corn/soy rotations, Wheat/ peas, and many other combos.

            “chemical or synthetic application”

            Modern crops are so efficient that supplemental fertilization is almost always needed or yield suffers big time. Farmers with access to local manure and composts, always use it, but most grain farming is done where there is little access to these products. It also has a lot to do with logistics 150 lbs of Nitrogen is equal to 3000 lbs of manure, that is a lot of sh*t to truck. Modern farmers also use extensive soil tests to make sure that they apply the correct amount of fertilizer to the areas that need it.

            “the fact that many people can’t comprehend how to compete with weeds without dumping Round-Up”

            Oh we know how to deal with weeds without Roundup, it is just we would rather not damage the land or waste time, fuel, and equipment on a problem that a quick herbicide application can deal with. PS no one dumps roundup on anything, the application rate is 16 oz per acre.

            “The more this knowledge is lost,”

            It is not lost any more than the knowledge on how to build and use a rotary phone is lost because we don’t use many of them any more. Technology moves on.

            “you become a consumer-farmer who purchases patented products instead”

            Almost all farmers buy patented seeds and have done so since the 50s, all new plant varieties/traits are patented. This is not new.

            “It’s not some utopian or philosophical method of growing food that I am talking about here…”

            Yes it is. If you don’t use any sprays you are farming using ideology, not best practices. Pesticides are part of a good IPM system.

            “Masanobu Fukuoka”

            His methods are not applicable to the vast majority of Agricultural land, and it is very labor intensive, plus take decades for yield improvements.

          • Mark Laszlo

            It is not labor intensive.

          • Mark Laszlo

            One of my favorite books! Masanobu Fukuoka wrote it. He was a scientist working for the Japanese government to increase agricultural production. When he took over his father’s farm he reinvented agriculture, with a novel “semi-wild” premacultural method. He grew foods with more nutrition & flavor. Monsanto & other agribusiness people try to work against nature. A prudent farmer know he must be humble & work with nature. It is hubris not to. The more agribusiness people try to exterminate unwanted plants, the more they harm useful insects & other life that needs them. No useful insects, like bees, mantises & lady beetles, means no crops. If you get them, they are denatured & toxic!

          • Thomas Paul Henry

            You can’t win with these people, can you…they act like Monsanto has never did anything bad…they killed my father and many others with Agent Orange and I’m suppose to just trust them. Let me shoot their dad and then try to sell them the gun , telling them how great the product is. Round-Up is a carcinogen. Now eat it.
            You are correct on all your points… They act like only one or two countries are rebelling against Monsanto, but a lot of countries are. Why are they afraid of GMO labeling? Because if we had a choice we would not buy it. Look at the new problem with the Lone Star Tick. Its been making people get Pancreatitis from eating beef and pork…I had to deal with it for 9 months. I lost 55 pounds (muscle mass, not good) because I could not eat most meat except chicken and fish… Was it a enzyme/carb produced by the tick or something in the beef and pork reacting to it…I ate deer and bison (costly and sparse), both I’m sure were bitten by the same ticks and didn’t get the reaction. So was it something that the pigs and cattle are exposed to, rather then the dang tick. Who FN knows. But we should just shut up and eat what a murderous corporation/government tells us to, right? I’m so over these people that think they “know everything” say we are anti-this/that…we just don’t blindly trust those that try to change what could/can/is being done naturally…
            What about the old adage…”you are what you eat”? Look at it on a cellular level…our bodies are design to bring in cells from other organisms via food/water for it to replace and rebuild what our body uses either from energy consumption or injury. Now if the cell that you eat from theses animals that have eaten GMO or you yourself eats the GMO it has a different cell then what you body requires…its like trying to put a FORD water pump on a CHEVY…you can get it to work but not correctly or efficiently, ultimately ruining the engine. When the… lets just say “square” cell is put in the “rectangular” spot for repair or consumption…it mutates. when a cell mutates, what does that cause? CANCER!!!!
            How about the fact that these huge farms and fields are not the way to go…how about smaller multiple farms, or growing our own. NO!!! We must have everything grown in a lab or on some huge farm ran by corporations and/or governments, because they know what’s best.
            Peace to you, Lance.

    • Thomas Paul Henry

      You are a moron….Monsanto is the same A-holes that made Agent Orange, and did “experiments” on their huge slave plantations….by the way, I have 3 science degrees…..we studied Monsanto in school on how bad they are….

    • John R Cothes

      seriously Mr. Drummond..your right, the worlds wrong..have you lost all of your humanity and common sense, your compassion..lets not forget what made monsanto famous..AGENT ORANGE..do you promote chem trails, fluoride harp towers aspertine MSG, WORLDWIDE DEPOPULATION, AGENDA 21, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS..the neocon point of view, do you support the geo engineers..seriously Mr. Drummond..was your post serious..and do you really consider the farmer as the lowest common denominator and the scientist as the authority..where do you stand on the fukushima issue DO YOU BELIEVE THE NUCLEAR SCIENTISTS WHO CLAIM NOTHING IS WRONG..FUKUSHIMA CANT HURT ANYONE..is it an illusion promoted by the lowest common denominator [THE PEOPLE who are dying of thyroid cancer at unprecedented rates]..GMO IS POISON..TO THE HUMAN BODY AND TO THE FARMERS WAY OF LIFE..DO YOU WORK FOR MONSANTO OR MAYBE DUPONT..seriously Mr. Drummond..if you are a troll or shill then please disregard this note, as there is no hope for you..if you are a normal citizen you might try studying this issue before going gunning for the people whose livelihood and health is being threatened by this very real monster.

      • David J. Drummond

        pathetic rebuttals 101. lets break down your word salad so at least the sane people of the internet can get the gist if what your “saying”.

        “lets not forget what made monsanto famous..AGENT ORANGE.”

        No….. no it didn’t Monsanto was ordered by the government to make agent orange. An industrial company that is ordered to produce material during wartime was a very common practice in america. Think Rolse Royce making fighter plane engines, or GM making military vehicles. where is you hate screed for them?

        “do you promote chem trails, fluoride harp towers aspertine MSG, WORLDWIDE DEPOPULATION, AGENDA 21, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS..the neocon point of view, do you support the geo engineers..”

        Paranoid, borderline schizophrenic ramblings of conspiracy types. You forgot about my support for the ilumminati, reptoid aliens, Bilderbergs and the thirteen families of Babylon. On a side note MSG, is safe AND naturally occurring in nature. ASPARTAME, Spell check shit John, is safe, has been proven safe, and will continue to be proven safe every time people like you test it, get over it your wrong sheesh. I have no earthly clue what a Fluoride Harp tower is but, Fluoride in general is safe in small therapeutic doses.

        “and do you really consider the farmer as the lowest common denominator and the scientist as the authority.”

        Not the farmer just the anti-GMO crowd, intellectually the lowest common denominator. Farmers in my part of the world embrace GMO’s because THEY WENT TO SCHOOL. In the case of GMO why is it wrong to rely on expert advice from people in the field, geneticists, agronomists, botanists etc.? Would you rather I listen to Organic idealists, or Bio-dynamic wizards? what’s wrong with trusting the smartest person knowledgeable on the subject of GMOs?

        “where do you stand on the fukushima issue DO YOU BELIEVE THE NUCLEAR SCIENTISTS WHO CLAIM NOTHING IS WRONG..FUKUSHIMA CANT HURT ANYONE..is it an illusion promoted by the lowest common denominator”

        Yay strawmen time! I never mentioned shit about nuclear reactors OR fukushima, why your bringing it up…… I do know, It’s because your not arguing with me. You like to think if people like me don’t agree with GMO fear mongers we must be out to destroy the world. LMFAO. I’m not even going to dignify your nonsense moving on.

        “GMO IS POISON..TO THE HUMAN BODY AND TO THE FARMERS WAY OF LIFE..DO YOU WORK FOR MONSANTO OR MAYBE DUPONT..seriously Mr. Drummond..if you are a troll or shill then please disregard this note, as there is no hope for you..if you are a normal citizen you might try studying this issue before going gunning for the people whose livelihood and health is being threatened by this very real monster.”

        Finally our predictable end point class. The fear monger/conspiracy theorist has nothing of interest to give to the debate so instead we jump to the specious and LAZY, SHILL GAMBIT. Without proof or intelligible you call GMO’s poison, BS claim with no proof provided so as such it will dismissed by me without debate. Because I don’t hide in my basement in front of my computer like you knowing “everything” I must be paid off? I guess I’ll wait with bated breath until my cheque arrives LMFAO. Who are you shilling for? Big Organic? oooh maybe “Dr.” Mercola is paying you? Im gonna leave with your own words with a little caveat. If you are a normal, sane healthy person you might try studying this issue, sure is easy to bitch about technologies you don’t bother to understand when YOU HAVE A FULL STOMACH. Hypocrite much John?

      • John R Cothes

        http://www.responsibletechnology.org/10-Reasons-to-Avoid-GMOs

        don’t be a hater Mr. Drummond…and Iam hoping you don’t include yourself among the saner of the group..after reading your diatribe..not very appropriate..and that conspiracy card..its a little outdated

        • David J. Drummond

          You pulled the conspiracy card dipwad. don’t talk anymore. I’ll hate on you all I want. Maybe Monsanto will finally send me that cheque lol. BTW if you ever cite that crazy anti-GMO, paranoid screed of a website responciblebiotechnology. com with any qualified experts you will be laughed out of the forum, rightly so. Hypocrite!

    • George Corvin

      Many t of us know about sciences a “little bit” and we learn more every day. Unfortunately!

    • John R Cothes
    • Mark Laszlo

      Hungary was the most agriculturally sucessful country in the Soviet bloc. Now, minus limitations of Soviet hegemony, they wiil have become even more sophisticated farmers. I doubt it’s them who are ignorant. If GMO creator’s profit-driven experiments turn out to have disasterous results, those who give them free rein may be the ones “holding a gun to humanities head”. Hungarians have leaders in every science & feild. You can prefer your “experts”, but they may be too blinded by their profit motive to get the big pic. They might get it when all the results of their mass experiments are in, but that may be too late for the world.

  • Warren Lauzon

    Why did you use a stolen copyrighted image that is actually from the Russian grass fires of 2010 for your article?

    • Allan Ecv Conklin

      Because that is how satire news works. They are only concerned with getting as many outrageous reactions as possible. Absolutely nothing else matters to them.

      • JoeFarmer

        If “Upriser” intends to compete with the Onion, they have a long ways to go.

  • J. Randall Stewart

    It looks like a farmer in Hungary sneaked in some GMO seeds.

    Another question should be, “Why would a farmer want to grow a GMO crop?”

    As an American Farmer who sometimes has alfalfa go to China, I’m ok with other countries limiting their own production then buying from us.

    • hyperzombie

      I am amazed that this doesnt happen more often. Or are there lots of farmers not getting caught?

    • hyperzombie

      I am curious if it was Bt sweet corn that they found.

      • J. Randall Stewart

        That makes the most sense.

  • Ein on Shrooms

    The only worry I have about Genetically Modified Foods are the proprietary garbage and
    ownership of the seeds like Monsanto. Next thing you know farmers are
    getting sued for saving Genetically Modified seeds. that part of it IS
    Pure BS.

    • JoeFarmer

      We’ve had plant patent protection in the U.S. since 1930. This is not a, “GMO thing”.

  • rel0627

    The monsanto pr shills wont like this.

    • Michael McCarthy

      Why? Hungary barely grows any corn. 6000 MT annually. The US produces 300,000+.

      • rel0627

        They be here.

        • Michael McCarthy

          I don’t think anyone is complaining that they aren’t growing GM corn.

          • rel0627

            Business always wants more profits.

          • Michael McCarthy

            And? Monsanto sells non-GM seeds too. But I believe the corn in question was not Monsanto anyway.

          • rel0627

            Thats what the title says.

          • Michael McCarthy

            Did you read the article? Did you fact check it?

          • rel0627

            Contact the author, tell them to change title.

          • Michael McCarthy

            I see, so you didn’t read the article then? So why make the statement, “The monsanto pr shills wont like this.”?

          • rel0627

            All it takes is the companies name in print for the pr team to come running. Ie: the title of the piece.

          • Michael McCarthy

            which would be how you found the article, surely. And yet not one of the “PR shills” complaining about them not growing corn. How weird.

          • rel0627

            Nope not that way. Pr companies have other “talking points” in mind.

          • Michael McCarthy

            as do the anti-PR companies. Why single out one over the other always?

          • rel0627

            anti pr? You mean other pr companies One is more prominent.

          • Michael McCarthy

            anti-PR, the group that disseminates misinformation and doubt. I think both would be equally represented.

          • rel0627

            So those not affiliated with a pr company. Its close.

          • Michael McCarthy

            Are you drinking on the job? Express complete thoughts please.

          • rel0627

            Yes….dont judge. Sir yes sir.

          • Michael McCarthy

            I don’t think I made any judgement.

          • rel0627

            That was for future tense cause you were not sure if I was enjoying some moonshine on the job or not.

          • Michael McCarthy

            I didn’t say moonshine and I really don’t care if you want to drink on the job or not. I just wanted a complete thought, not some ragged indecipherable script.

          • rel0627

            Tough crowd.

      • JoeFarmer

        That must be 6,000,000 MT.
        Just my farm produces about 10,000 short tons of corn/year…

        • hyperzombie

          Yep, you are right it is 6,000,000 MT, which is fairly good considering their average yield is only 80 bu/ac.

          • JoeFarmer

            80 bu/ac.? That is really, really bad.

            Wow, I’m getting almost 3 times that yield. Might be over 3 times this year.

        • Michael McCarthy

          You are correct. It is 6000 * 1000 MT. Still a pittance comparative to US.

          • JoeFarmer

            True, and if you look at HZ’s Hungarian yield number (80 bu/ac average), they’re not doing very well at it.

            Which is good for me, but still sad for them.

            I’m kinda curious, but too lazy to look up, what land suitable for corn goes for in Hungary. High CSR (Corn Suitability Rating) ground in my area is worth about $10,000/ac, which translates to $300/ac annual rent or rent equivalent, give or take. Maybe the ground is really cheap in Hungary, so they don’t have to try very hard to be profitable? I have no idea.

            If there weren’t a lot of risk owning farm ground in foreign countries, a person could do a farm land cost/productivity arbitrage thing and probably get really rich.

          • Michael McCarthy

            “I’m kinda curious, but too lazy to look up, what land suitable for corn goes for in Hungary.”
            It looks to be around $4500/ha (or about $1820/acre). So, it seems to be dirt cheap.

          • JoeFarmer

            You’d think their land would be more valuable given what happened with the Treaty of Trianon…

            Other than the obvious disadvantage of no GM tech in corn production, it might make sense to pursue buying farm land there. $1820/ac times 3.5% rental value is about $64/acre rent. So they only grow 1/3 the corn per acre as I do, but equivalent land rent value is 1/5. I wonder what inputs cost there? Supposedly, Hungary is now a capitalist country, but that could go either way. And I wonder about their infrastructure and how to get grain to market.

            Still could be a good deal. Probably better ROI than dumping venture capital into the latest smartphone app that will be forgotten 6 months from now.

          • Michael McCarthy

            Well, I think Hungary is suitable for growing a variety of crops. Were it me, I would buy up the farmland and grow hops at the rate craft beer is growing. If it slows down, you could always turn it over to something else, whatever the next fad becomes.

          • hyperzombie

            Did you think this through? Hungary is full of Hungarians,that is a serious downside.

          • JoeFarmer

            “There is too much pepper in my paprikash!”

            So ya, if corn goes too low, I can import paprika from Hungary! Sold by a deli who remembers who Billy Crystal is…

          • hyperzombie

            And polish sausage is really close. Could make a fortune.

          • Michael McCarthy

            What’s wrong with Hungarians? They’re, generally, a rather attractive people.

  • William J Brewer

    That’s not corn in the picture on fire, it’s oats… What else in this story is false? Probably all of it is spun BS..

  • Dave Jeffers

    BURNING is the best way to rid these poisonsous fields before the pollen can spread but I hope the ground is not poisoned by Monsanto or Dow. these people need to be helped and a big pat on the back for doing this.

    • Jason

      Where is corn pollen going to spread to? And so what if it does spread?

  • s1o

    This fake article goes around the web in various forms since 2011 with a picture of Russian wild fires from 2010.

  • Kevin Folta

    Look at the picture. Did the arsonists realize it was non-GMO wheat? Once again, showing their strong understanding of farming.

    • JoeFarmer

      “Understanding of farming” never stopped an activist. Just like understanding of radionuclides didn’t stop the nuclear power protesters/activists a generation ago.

      And what did they do for us? Gave us more years of coal-fired power plants, that’s what.

      But you’ve experienced the ire of armchair agronomists plenty of times, as far as I can tell.

      No one seems to know what Gary Ruskin’s ag bona fides are…but he’s not very good with the twitter, either. So keep on doing what you’re doing.

  • Dave Jeffers

    has nothing to do with time of harvest when it comes to flavor but it sure does when it comes to GMO 7 GE grow crap !

    • JoeFarmer

      So, you’re intimately familiar with the taste of dent corn, soybeans and cotton?

      What does a non-GMO cotton boll taste like compared to a GMO one? What’s your preferred beverage to help wash it down?

  • LarryBundyJr

    GMO scaremongering is one of the biggest cons since mobile phone tower radio waves can give you brain tumors.

    • JoeFarmer

      But if you get your interwebs via 4G, how do you know whether it’s the GMOs or the RF radiation that caused your gluten intolerance?

  • Infoczar

    You can’t cure stupid.

  • animalparty

    Too many damn shills in this comment section. We already know Monsanto hires entire departments to spread misinformation about the safety of their dangerous product, they said it themselves. If you don’t believe it then great, go eat some poison, I’ll be the one laughing when you end up with cancer.

    • hyperzombie

      How do we know you are not a shill? The first thing a shill would do is call out the other shills? thinks you protest too much… so you must be a shill.

  • rightthink

    Go figure. The Govt. of the USA passes a law that says they are not liable for any harm their products cause. This law was passed by the same people that monsanto has been putting in place in govt. to vote for and pass all other legislation they need to get rich and poison the world.

  • Susan Durchfort

    Interesting debate and comments. What disturbs me about this article is that there is no date listed. I did a quick search and it appears to be quite old and recycled. “Old” being a couple of years. I support bans on GMOs, GMO free foods and labeling of GMO products. I don’t support hype and spin. This event happened over two years ago, not yesterday. Upriser has used their readers to create debate and incite anger and passion over stale, outdated and recycled news – and it worked. Lots of contentious words below. I want real news on these issues. I hope Upriser will do better in the future to inform.

  • Someone From Hungary
  • Deltasword

    For the majority of human history, destroying any food, considered poisonous or not, was almost exclusively done by a hostile force to cripple their enemies. We in the west are so privileged and fat. We can afford to destroy something men have killed each other over before history even began. This disgusts me. This disgusts me for all of my ancestors who huddled in the mud and starved.

  • Warren Lauzon

    The picture was stolen from a news source about Russian grass fires in 2010. It is not even corn.

  • George Corvin

    Dr Arpad Pusztai, who worked for Rowett Laboratories for many years and with his team carried out numerous experiments , proved that GMOs are carcerogens. When his report became public, Monsanto ordered Bill Clinton, who ordered Tony Blair, who ordered the head of Rowett to dismiss Pusztai. .He returned to Hungary. It is good to see that Hungarian politicians stand up to big bucks, unlike some US politiciens, who have been bought to protect Monsanto. which delivered many unsafe chemicals like Roundup, which is said to be a dangerous carcenogen. Every great journey starts with the first step and it seems that Hungary has taken it. All GMO producers and those which produce bee killing sprays should be banned by Hungary. Once one country does it, others were follow. GMOs have no advantages, it is based on lies and driven by money. and unless we all take up the fight against it we shall either die of diseases, starve to death. whilst farmers around us go bankrupt. .

    • Jason

      That is incorrect. Pusztai made no cancer claims what so ever. He claimed statistically significant differences in growth and immune deficiencies. He was criticized for announcing his results on television prior to publishing them or submitting them for peer review. Upon final review of his data, the Royal Society of Medicine stated that “Pusztai’s experiments were poorly designed, contained uncertainties in the composition of diets, did not have a large enough number of rats, used incorrect statistical methods and lacked consistency within experiments.” They also stated that no conclusions could be drawn from it.

  • John R Cothes
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  • Ronald Woolever

    I’m not arguing in favor of Monsanto or even in favor of GMOs, but I need to point out that this picture is not of a corn field on fire. The plants in the picture are a grain of some sort, I suspect it is wheat

  • bartcen

    that photo is not corn. it’s sugar cane being burned in Australia. here;s the exact same picture from 2008. Radacle nutters, of any flavor, will lie to promote their agenda. these anti-GMO nutters are no different.

    http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/sweet-sugarcane-is-australias-new-renewable-energy.html

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